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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 174
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: crew additions
Re: [B7L] Re: If we'd been there
Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
[B7L] Posting fanfic?
Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic?
Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere)
Re: [B7L] Animals
Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
[B7L] crew
[B7L]lost episodes: was: Animals
[B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere)
[B7L] Kasabi (was crew)
Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic?
Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere)
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L]lost episodes: was: Animals
Re: [B7L] Gauda Prime
Re: [B7L] Gauda Prime
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death
Re: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)]
Re: [B7L] Interesting food
Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)]
Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] crew
[B7L] Deathwatch (was Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)))
Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] crew
[B7L] Unsubscirbe
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:12:18 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: crew additions
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Helen Krummenacker added :
> > I liked Docholli, from Gambit. He was also on the run from the
Federation,
> > looking for a place to hide and the crew only really had Cally doing
first
> > aid. I bet they could have used a decent medic from time to time. A
> > likeable guy, experienced with the Federation, probably could have been
very
> > useful.
>
> > Steve Dobson.
>
> Last, but not least, a drinking buddy for Vila.
Now that would have been quite fun to watch! Seeing Vila drunk was always
quite amusing, even when he was faking it.
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:26:00 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: If we'd been there
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From: Ellynne G. wrote :
>
> > So what were the rest of you up to?
> [snip]
> So
> > fess
> > up, guys. Anyone been snooping around in the strong room? I do seem
> > to
> > remember seeing Ellynne dressed up as Servalan sneaking away with
> > Travis
> > and a few mutoids.
> >
> Uh, no offense, but if you saw that, you _really_ shouldn't have eaten
> the jell-o/jelly Vila offered you. I was just having a quiet chat with
> Cally about what films she thought were deep and meaningful. We were
> just saying how everybody _had_ to see the complete, unabridged Les
> Miserables (complete with a two hour documentary about the Paris sewers)
> and a few side comments on how they could make the Liberator look sunnier
> and more cheerful (I had some sunflower posters and smiley faces I'd be
> glad to loan her). It really went over well, since Blake and Avon
> immediately asked what I thought they should do with the teleport room,
> that being the first bit of the Liberator people see when they come on
> board. I was just looking around and making some suggestions when
> someone accidentally turned on the teleport.
Ohh yes, sorry about that... that was one of Vila's bets again. Something
about playing hide and seek, its all still a bit foggy. We started drinking
something... all I knew was it was green.
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:50:41 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
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Sally asked:
> Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't
like?)
Death Watch. I like the scene with the TV presenter, but I yawn through the
rest.
Marian
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:06:53 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
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>Sally asked:
> Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't
>like?)
No question: Animals can put me to sleep any time. And not just because Una
is hitting me over the head with a rubber hammer because of my comments
about the episode. It's the only episode where I have to fight the urge to
fast forward through most of it. Og may be slightly more credible than
Brian, but Justin gives me the creeps. Even though I know how it really
ends, I keep expecting him to lock Dayna up and start doing horrible
experiments on her. Come to think of it, that would probably make for a
better episode. Has anybody else ever wondered what the offspring of Og and
Dayna would look like?
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:25:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com>
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>Sally asked:
> Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't
>like?)
"Voice From The Past" is my valium episode - it's the only one I don't bother to re-watch, as I found myself unable to concentrate on it after Blake persuades Vila to teleport him down to the asteroid. It was ok up to that point...
rita d'orac
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:47:11 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
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Jacqueline wrote:
> >Sally asked:
> > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we
don't
> >like?)
>
> No question: Animals can put me to sleep any time. And not just because
Una
> is hitting me over the head with a rubber hammer because of my comments
> about the episode.
Just the odd gentle tap.
> Has anybody else ever wondered what the offspring of Og and
> Dayna would look like?
Steve?
Una
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:51:32 +0100
From: "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Posting fanfic?
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I think I've asked this before, but it took so long to write the bloody
thing that by now, I've forgotten the answer. Anyway, is it acceptable to
post fanfic here? Nothing naughty, and it's a crossover with the new Randall
& Hopkirk, so it's a bit weak on the B7 stuff (since the Beeb obligingly
took the wind out of my sails, as it were). I think I managed to work in
most of the pitfalls of fanfic described on Judith's site. ;)
Anyway, let me know, as it's time I inflicted this thing on the world
outside...
Ariana
http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:47:11 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic?
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On Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 06:51:32PM +0100, Ariana wrote:
> I think I've asked this before, but it took so long to write the bloody
> thing that by now, I've forgotten the answer. Anyway, is it acceptable to
> post fanfic here? Nothing naughty, and it's a crossover with the new Randall
> & Hopkirk, so it's a bit weak on the B7 stuff (since the Beeb obligingly
> took the wind out of my sails, as it were). I think I managed to work in
> most of the pitfalls of fanfic described on Judith's site. ;)
>
> Anyway, let me know, as it's time I inflicted this thing on the world
> outside...
I don't think anyone would mind, though not everyone would read it.
(I satisfied my curiosity about the new Randall & Hopkirk earlier this
year, and a crossover with it doesn't appeal to *me*. Others may
differ, and leap up with enthusiasm, so don't let anything stop you.)
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:21:31 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere)
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>>Harriet wrote:
>Somebody round here (could it have been Betty?) once had the rather
>wonderful idea of putting DS9's Garak on the Liberator. Whoever it was,
>get on and write the story...
God thats scary. I was wondering if anyone had thought of this. :)
Shall I joint the queue to read this. <G>
Min. xxx
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:22:08 +0200
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals
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In message <05c801bfddf0$ce2230e0$0d01a8c0@codex>, Una McCormack <una@q-
research.connectfree.co.uk> writes
>TWB is pretty slow... Umm, probably 'Pressure Point'. They all run across
>the grass, in turn. They all go down the blue corridor. Then the red
>corridor. Then the white corridor. It's quite possible we see them coming
>back, but I've usually given up by then.
You just don't have a suitably one-track mind. There's lots to enjoy in
Pressure Point. Unfortunately, it's all more suitable for discussion on
The Other List.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:57:28 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
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>Sally asked:
> > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't
>like?)
Voices from the past, I'm sure it wasn't a bad episode but I couldn't muster
up any interest the whole way through.
Jessica
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:06:52 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
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Jessica asked:
<What was wrong with Sarcophagus? I keep wondering if I'm missing something
but I really enjoyed that episode.>
I liked quite a lot about it (it's one of the best episodes - as drama - in
series 3, IMO) though it just doesn't quite feel B7-ish to me. Ghost stories
just *don't* fit, no matter how carefully ambiguous they are. But there are
a lot of good things. I especially like Vila's magic show (Michael Keating
does pull this off well), the overriding feeling of crew ennui ('one more
thing to chase') and aimlessness that has dogged them since the war and is
now becoming seriously crushing, and the way the dead, stifling atmosphere
of the pod interior is done. And Avon is suitably wonderful (but tips into
just *too* wonderful, almost inhumanly so, for me - I like him flawed and
fallible.)
When all is said and done (and a lot of it said by me, I know), there are
good things to be said about nearly every episode, even if in some cases one
has to hunt rather a lot to find them.
Even in <shudder> Moloch, there's Avon fretting (just a little) about Vila's
safety; finding out what Vila looks like in uniform (like he's playing
dress-up, actually :-) and that wonderful moment when Vila asks Doran"you
like women" and Doran answers "no". Oh yes, and Avon being roughed up :-).
Even in <shudder> Power, there's a few good lines ("I'm a growing lad. Rats
are not the answer" "If I'd known we were keeping score, I would have
brought more ammunition." "Perhaps I was somewhere else when they introduced
us."), the glove business, and Avon getting knocked out a lot and carted
around by hairy barbarians.
Stardrive I'm still looking (one word - "who?")
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:08:28 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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After Judith asked:
<Of all the people whom they met on their travels, who would you most like
to have joined the crew?>
Peter suggested :
<How about Travis? Post Trial of course. [snip] Maybe there was a point at
which Blake & co could have persuaded him that they were on the same side -
destruction of the federation being their ideal - especially in light of
their conversation at the close of Gambit.>
<grin> of course, this would bring with it the enormous joy of watching Avon
spending all his waking hours trying to protect Blake against a fellow
crew-member (and probably getting even more tetchy than usual, poor angel).
And the promise of fireworks extraordinaire the first time Travis had to
take orders from My Favorite Autocrat ... I like it.
S'a pity, however, that I can't think up an excuse for Travis I to be
recruited, since he is my preferred brand of Travii.
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:09:18 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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After I wrote:
<*Everything* was better than Stardrive, include the lost episodes.>
Minnie wrote:
<Huh?? Ive missed something. What lost episodes???? /me sitting up with
raised eyebrows.>
Oh dear, you got one of the shortened video collections, did you? <veg> Fret
ye not, there are good reasons why they were lost in the first place ...
(P S - what *was* the name of Frankie Howerd's character in Up Pompeii? And
given that there is slavery in the Federation, could one imagine him on the
Liber ... maybe better not to.)
FWIW, I've got this new theory that there were really seven different
versions of each episode filmed, and we all got different mixtures. This
would explain the feeling one gets sometimes of "were we watching the same
show or what?" (which I am *certain* you have all had as well, probably when
reading my posts ;-))
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:10:19 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere)
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Harriet wrote:
<About Jarriere models. I'd be prepared to commit to one fully assembled,
Kelvin-painted Jarriere plus two in bits and pieces if that meant they got
commissioned.>
Me too! So we could buy one assembled each, one kit for posterity, Mistral
has committed to one ... we've got five <g>
The things we do for love ... speaking of which, I'll *commit* to an Avon,
Blake, Soolin and Vila as well.
<Dangerous Liaisons update: I've now fast-forwarded through Ellie's video
to check out Harry Jones's appearance. It's about 20 minutes into the film
(a bit less allowing for the stuff at the start of the video) and he's on
screen for half a minute.>
'Tisn't at my local video shop (mutter grumble) so I'll have to check out
some others.
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:12:47 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Kasabi (was crew)
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Ika wrote:
<If Kasabi hadn't died, though, she would have sorted them out and won the
revolution in three episodes flat. (Hmmm... does this mean I do or I don't
want her on board? Hard to say.)>
Kasabi is great, but I agree with Louise, she has her drawbacks as a
guerilla leader (and she's a trained soldier. Given that so is Travis, who
spends the last (best?) years of his life being bested by amateurs,
Servalan, who helped him get bested at least twice when her own skin was
threatened, the stuffed cardboard General Samor, and
leap-before-you-look-champion Del Tarrant, one is beginning to wonder just
what sort of training the Federation *do* give).
And from Harriet:
<Kasabi is one of my heroines, but I'm not sure how it would work out on the
ship - either she'd get on too well with Blake, and all the non-rebels would
be squeezed out, or Blake would suddenly find working with another
charismatic rebel leader quite awkward, which could lead to some interesting
conflict.>
Depends on [a] how well she *takes* orders, since there is no way I can see
Blake or Avon taking them from her (or in Blake's case, from anyone in the
known universe), and [b] how she reacts to the free-for-all that is their
version of teamwork (we don't see enough of Kasabi's group to work out
whether she does run it on military lines, but I like to think she does.) I
have this joyous feeling she wouldn't take to it - or to Avon and Vila for
that matter - *at all*, which would make for exemplary fireworks.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:30:55 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic?
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Ariana wrote:
> I think I managed to work in
> most of the pitfalls of fanfic described on Judith's site. ;)
Ariana, aren't congratulations in order for your story 'A New Moon Over
Bajor' winning kudos in the recent ASC (alt.startrek.creative) awards?
Una
<thinks: Did I just admit I read Trek fanfic? No, may have got away with
it...>
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:28:25 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere)
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Minnie wrote:
> >>Harriet wrote:
>
> >Somebody round here (could it have been Betty?) once had the rather
> >wonderful idea of putting DS9's Garak on the Liberator. Whoever it was,
> >get on and write the story...
>
>
> God thats scary. I was wondering if anyone had thought of this. :)
> Shall I joint the queue to read this. <G>
Yes, it's Betty. Definitely join the queue! And if we all chant in chorus,
she might go and write it! <vbg>
Una
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:26:57 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
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Sally wrote:
> Jessica asked:
> <What was wrong with Sarcophagus? I keep wondering if I'm missing
something
> but I really enjoyed that episode.>
>
> I liked quite a lot about it (it's one of the best episodes - as drama -
in
> series 3, IMO) though it just doesn't quite feel B7-ish to me.
That's interesting. 'Sarcophagus' always feels *especially* B7 to me,
because it's so character focused and, more importantly, it's an ensemble
piece. They all do stuff in 'Sarcophagus' (well, except Dayna). That's why I
like 'Deathwatch' so much: everybody is within character, and what they do
is significant to the plot (even Dayna). I'd say that 'Deathwatch' is one of
Boucher's cleverest scripts in that respect.
Una
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:11:54 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]lost episodes: was: Animals
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>(P S - what *was* the name of Frankie Howerd's character in Up Pompeii? And
>given that there is slavery in the Federation, could one imagine him on the
>Liber ... maybe better not to.)
'Lurkio' IIRC
I think Vila is part of the same tradition as Lurkio, going back to (plucks
name out of air, probably wrongly) Plotinus? Some bloody Roman anyway. The
lower class/slave who lurks in the background of the big events, giving a
humerous commentary, chasing women and getting pissed - with the strong
implication that he's the only one who is *not* being stupid.
Just Vila is a bit better looking than average
Alison
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:12:09 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Bob Vinisky" <bobvin@europa.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Gauda Prime
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Vinisky <bobvin@europa.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:57 PM
Subject: [B7L] Gauda Prime
> Avon escaped!
> http://www.europa.com/~bobvin/Alive.html
>
Two words:
CAPTION THIS
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Fiona Moore
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:07:10 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
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Fiona wrote:
> > Avon escaped!
>
> > http://www.europa.com/~bobvin/Alive.html
> >
>
> Two words:
>
> CAPTION THIS
'It was meant to be a *penalty* shootout...'
Una
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:42:49 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>,
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> (....who thinks Ultraworld is much, much worse than either
> Sarcophagus or Animals)
Agreed, though I'd rank them Sarcophagus-- Ultraworld-- Animals myself
(Sorry, Una).
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:31:38 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Fiona wrote:
> Agreed, though I'd rank them Sarcophagus-- Ultraworld-- Animals myself
> (Sorry, Una).
I like all three of those!
Una
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:54:08 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>, <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 8:07 PM
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> What was wrong with Sarcophagus? I
Storywise, not much. Well paced, unusally creepy, nice dream sequences and
unusually introspective.
However, this still doesn't make up, IMO, for the fact that it's yet another
Cally-taken-over-by-an-alien story, and that someone evidently didn't do too
much research into the characters.
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:58:35 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>, <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death
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Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death
> They use a similar device in a lot of Babylon 5 episodes, about once a
> season the perspective would change and we'd see events occuring from the
> other point of view. It's something I love about both shows this ability
to
> show the enemy as being human and not just a drone in the wrong uniform.
Best used, though, in the film "Brazil": midway through the film, after
seeing over an hour of brutality by masked troopers--and, incidentally,
immediately aftter a particularly violent bit--the hero revives to see two
troopers with their helmets off, chatting about how appallingly hot it is
under the uniforms.
One thing that irritates me about JMS is the way he frequently borrows
shamelessly from "Brazil" without mentioning such. The ep where Sheridan is
tortured at the end of S4 was straight out of "Brazil," and yet his comments
on the Lurker's Guide about where the ep came from never mentions it at all.
And frankly, I can't believe he's not seen it...
'scuse me, I'll just go sign on to the off-topic list now.
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:37:51 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death
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Fiona wrote:
> 'scuse me, I'll just go sign on to the off-topic list now.
Hurrah! You'll be welcome over on the dark side, Fiona...
Una
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:18:05 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
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After I wrote:
<I liked quite a lot about it (it's one of the best episodes - as drama - in
series 3, IMO) though it just doesn't quite feel B7-ish to me.>
Una said:
<That's interesting. 'Sarcophagus' always feels *especially* B7 to me,
because it's so character focused and, more importantly, it's an ensemble
piece.>
As I said, it's the ghost story and fantasy-ish trappings. It's just a
personal thing. I can live with it (as indeed, I do even more happily in
Duel but then Giroc *is* a much livelier dead person than the wet
Cally-doppelganger in Sarcophagus. That is one of the latter's drawbacks -
the alien is quite literally deadly dull.)
<That's why I like 'Deathwatch' so much: everybody is within character,>
Except (IMHO *only* I know, I know) Avon. There's a *lot* to admire about
Deathwatch, the idea is clever, a lot of the lines are good, Deeta, Max and
Vinni are great guest characters, and it *looks* good. But for me this is
one of the *weakest* episodes for My Darling (even worse than Volcano and
Dawn of the Gods), he both looks and acts like he's got a tummy bug. So
(being utterly and unabashedly biased) while I admire it, I don't really
enjoy it.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:26:45 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Fiona wrote:
<However, this still doesn't make up, IMO, for the fact that it's yet
another Cally-taken-over-by-an-alien story, and that someone evidently
didn't do too much research into the characters.>
But it is the *best* of the taken-over-by-aliens stories (I do love The Web,
truly, Judith, but *not* for Cally's part in it :-) Had Sarcophagus come
first, of course, it would have had a much greater impact.
It is a pity the writer of Sarcophagus doesn't seem to have taken much
interest in the back-stories, however.
BTW, I'd rank the three mentioned Sarcophagus - Animals - Ultraworld.
Animals is just more *entertaining* (sometimes accidentally-on-purpose, like
Avon's near-slip when Charging To the Rescue. One of my many favourite Avon
moments, that).
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:36:09 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)]
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Sally tried to find some common female ground:
> Though I think we agree on how wonderful Kasabi is, don't we?
>
>I do love Jenna and Soolin, and of the guests love Levett,
>Rashel, and Giroc, and like Maja (TWB), Sinofar (Duel),
>Chenie (Gambit), Vena (Headhunter) and Verlis (Assassin -
>and I've probably forgotten some, sorry). Come on Harriet,
>there must be *someone* there you like. And while 'like'
>may not quite be the right word, I think the best villain in the
>entire series is Alta Morag (the 'banality of evil', indeed. She
>gives me the creeps, for all the right reasons).
>
>Anna *could* be worse. She could have been Piri-ish. I could
>*never* take Avon Suffering (no matter how Beautifully) for Piri ...
Oh, OK. We agree on Kasabi, Alta Morag, and Piri. And Jenna on a good
day. And Rashel and Chenie. Maja's OK, but we don't see her quite long
enough for me to have much of an opinion. Ditto times several for Levett
(I keep watching Mission for Destiny trying to understand the cult of
Levett, but can't quite get it).
Harriet
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:36:17 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Interesting food
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Joanne retorted:
>>Have you tried marmite on chocolate cake?
>
><raises startled eyebrow> So in how many months'
>time does the happy event take place?
It was my brother's idea, actually, about 30 years ago. Most of my good
ideas (like watching Blake's 7, for instance) originally came from him.
Harriet
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:47:24 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se
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After I wrote (among other things :-):
<Anna *could* be worse. She could have been Piri-ish. I could *never* take
Avon Suffering (no matter how Beautifully) for Piri ...>
Harriet answered:
<Oh, OK. We agree on Kasabi, Alta Morag, and Piri.>
Of course, mentally combining this with the thread on guests joining the
crew has given me the joyously awful mental picture of Piri (presumably
*not* turning into a villanous cliche, but staying the original cliched
helpless heroine) on Xenon Base. Oh Avon, the pain, the pain <gurgle> ...
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:56:21 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
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Una asked
> > Has anybody else ever wondered what the offspring of Og and
> > Dayna would look like?
>
> Steve?
Hmmm... a large hairy monster with a large head wearing a grey tight-fitting
jump suit. Nahhh.. doesn't really do it for me. *s*
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:59:19 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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> Judith asked:
> <Of all the people whom they met on their travels, who would you most like
> to have joined the crew?>
>
We could be really weird and have some of the clonemasters on board. Soon
knock off a few spare Avon's, couple extra Blake's, maybe even a troup of
Vila's.
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:28:06 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Deathwatch (was Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)))
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Me/Sally:
> <That's why I like 'Deathwatch' so much: everybody is within character,>
>
> Except (IMHO *only* I know, I know) Avon.
:) Should I attempt to contradict?
> There's a *lot* to admire about
> Deathwatch, the idea is clever, a lot of the lines are good, Deeta, Max
and
> Vinni are great guest characters, and it *looks* good. But for me this is
> one of the *weakest* episodes for My Darling (even worse than Volcano and
> Dawn of the Gods), he both looks and acts like he's got a tummy bug.
Hehehe...
Una
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 05:17:39 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere)
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Sally Manton wrote:
> Harriet wrote:
> <About Jarriere models. I'd be prepared to commit to one fully assembled,
> Kelvin-painted Jarriere plus two in bits and pieces if that meant they got
> commissioned.>
>
> Me too! So we could buy one assembled each, one kit for posterity, Mistral
> has committed to one ... we've got five <g>
Does this mean we've got five Jarrieres before five Blakes? And
would this correspondingly finally prove that Jarriere is the most
beloved character after Avon? <g> What fun!
> The things we do for love ... speaking of which, I'll *commit* to an Avon,
> Blake, Soolin and Vila as well.
Whee! Now, who else wants Soolin and Vila? Must be somebody!
Mistral
--
"Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!"
--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:28:42 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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To Fiona's:
>> Agreed, though I'd rank them Sarcophagus-- Ultraworld-- Animals myself
>> (Sorry, Una).
Una replied:
>I like all three of those!
I like two of them. (I won't mention the odd one out to spare Una's
feelings.) :-)
Marian
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:43:57 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
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To Una's:
><That's why I like 'Deathwatch' so much: everybody is within character,>
Sally replied:
>Except (IMHO *only* I know, I know) Avon.
Sally and I don't always see eye to eye regarding Avon, but here I agree
absolutely.
> There's a *lot* to admire about
>Deathwatch, the idea is clever, a lot of the lines are good, Deeta, Max and
>Vinni are great guest characters, and it *looks* good. But for me this is
>one of the *weakest* episodes for My Darling (even worse than Volcano and
>Dawn of the Gods), he both looks and acts like he's got a tummy bug.
I love his performance in Volcano, that and the Cally-Vila interaction is
what makes it my favourite episode. I love the way he tricks Mori when he
so innocently starts giving instructions to Zen and when he's shot he
suffers so beautifully. (Sorry, Neil, I couldn't resist.) :-) Also that
priceless scene when Vila offers him the drink, plus his reaction to the
news of the loss of Cally and Orac.
Maybe I should start a campaign for the appreciation of Volcano.
Marian
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:46:02 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Marian wrote:
> To Fiona's:
> >> Agreed, though I'd rank them Sarcophagus-- Ultraworld-- Animals myself
> >> (Sorry, Una).
>
> Una replied:
> >I like all three of those!
>
> I like two of them. (I won't mention the odd one out to spare Una's
> feelings.) :-)
'Ultraworld' isn't *that* bad, Marian. (Of course, you wouldn't mean either
of the other two.)
Una
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:40:31 +0200
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In message <002301bfdead$a22c8b80$31049ad8@cgorman>, Christine+Steve
<cgorman@idirect.com> writes
>
>> Judith asked:
>> <Of all the people whom they met on their travels, who would you most like
>> to have joined the crew?>
>>
>
>We could be really weird and have some of the clonemasters on board. Soon
>knock off a few spare Avon's, couple extra Blake's, maybe even a troup of
>Vila's.
Oh Hanneke...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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