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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 168
Today's Topics:
Voice from the past [was Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette
Simon)]
Re: [B7L] Model of Avon and possibly Blake
Re: [B7L] Re: Travis
RE: [B7L] Re: Animals
Fwd: Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) and locations
: RE: [B7L] Herne Bay (was Quex Park museum visit, now completely OT)
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
RE: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
Fwd: Re: [B7L] Re: Travis
[B7L] Re: moondiscs
[B7L] Unquestioning Faith
Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
[B7L] Moondisc material?
Re: [B7L] Travis
[B7L] Jelly Rebellion
[B7L] Better than transcripts
Re: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
Re: [B7L] JB7 Jell-O, Inc or is it Jell-O, Ltd.
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] shooting question - force wall
Re: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
Re: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
Digest format [was[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #166]
Re: Digest format [was[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #166]
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: Digest format [was[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #166]
RE: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
[B7L] forcewalls et al
[B7L] (B7L) copycats
Re: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] shooting question
[B7L] Medical question
Re: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
Re: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
[B7L] Unquestioning Faith
Re: [B7L] Travis
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:36:06 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Voice from the past [was Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette
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Lisa wrote:
>Oh, and Sally -- yes, there was only one vote
>for "Voice from the Past", so if that's yours,
>you were on your own.
Next time, Sally, remind me to vote for it too. Voice from the Past is an
episode which has got everything... except Jarriere. Which reminds me,
Ellie has just lent me the video of Dangerous Liaisons so I can check if it
is him in the two-minute part of M. Armand, but I haven't found time to
wade through all the other stuff yet.
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:42:39 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: smanton@hotmail.com, Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Model of Avon and possibly Blake
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Sorry to be a complete nuisance (no change there!) but could you re-post the
link so I could look at the Avon model? I unfortunately (and accidently)
deleted the message before I had the chance to follow it.
Doh!
Do(h!)rian - "You mean you're here by choice?"
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:46:13 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>,
"Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Travis
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From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 1:12 PM
Subject: [B7L] Re: Travis
>does say "the rest of humanity had betrayed him, in the form of his
> family, the service". So that would include Servalan, though I think it
> implies the resentment is more generalised.
Yes, but I think there was a personal element there too, if not as much as
I've heard some people say. Travis was loyal to the service, yes, and the
service which betrayed him did add up to more than Servalan (Samor, Thania,
Kasabi [didn't betray him personally but spat on his ideals], etc. etc.),
but some of Servalan's specific actions must have hurt--e.g. her having
Maryatt (sp? no Programme Guide handy) listed as a deserter, an act which
makes sense politically but in a service context is a betrayal of a decent
officer.
> maybe we tend to think of Servalan as being the Federation; Travis has
> grown up in the system, so can see the whole picture.
Fond though I am of Travis as a character, I must say that I often prefer
the stories in which he and/or Servalan *don't* appear, just cos when
they're there it makes the whole thing so much more specific and, well,
simple; it boils Blake and Avon's actions to simply personal vendettas,
whereas when they're not there it gives more of an impression of a
Federation which is bigger than any of them, and makes the story much more
complex. If the thing Blake and Co. are fighting isn't just Servalan and her
lackeys, but also includes people and groups as varied as the TerraNostra,
the Cult of Cygnus and Dr Bellfriar's staff, it gives a
totally different spin on what they're doing.
> which he's right; if you killed either Servalan or Blake, someone would
> replace them.
And in the same tape, IIRC, one of Blake's reasons for not killing Travis is
that if he did, someone else would replace *him.* Hm, maybe the ultimate
theme of B7 is how ultimately replaceable we all are...
In which case, he really is a mirror image of Blake, who is
> not concerned with removing corrupt individuals who have persecuted him
but
> with overthrowing the whole damn thing.
Agreed. Funny how much the two of them resemble each other, isn't it? In
that, and in that both men ultimately start out with high ideals, but
gradually become disillusioned and fail in their initial mission-- the
system (small s) does for both.
Which may be another reason why Travis hates Blake; on some level he comes
to recognise someone with a motive he can understand but on the opposite
side. Sort of a Valjean/Javert sort of thing.
Fiona
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:50:11 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: Animals
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>>> For the record, "Animals" did get *two* votes last time.
>
>> What?!? That absolutely beggars belief!
>Neil must be trying to butter you up, Una.
But he doesn't need to. I lost Neil's heart to Una long ago (sigh)
Louise
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Date: Mon Jun 19 19:23:08 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) and locations
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> From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
> On ?, Ika wrote:
>
> > PS: Dragging Bounty back in by hook or by crook: isn't it a tragedy that I
> > never started watching B7 till I moved out of Kent? (Though now I live near
-
> > taran-tara - Leeds University. Oh, hey, this can be on topic after all.
> > Anybody know which episodes used which bits of Leeds University? I was all
over-
> > excited when I thought I spotted a lecture hall in Voice from the Past, but
> > apparently that's in Wembley.)
>
> Children of Auron - the cloning plant is the Leeds Metropolitan
> Universite building department.
>
> We've a list of locations on the web site
Hooray!
- if you could take a photo of the
> building as it is now, we'd love to have one to put up with a picture from the
> episode for comparison.
Consider it done. Although it won't be for a little while.
Ika
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Date: Mon Jun 19 19:35:46 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: : RE: [B7L] Herne Bay (was Quex Park museum visit, now completely OT)
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Forwarded Message:
> From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
> >If only. I was actually in - wait for it - Herne Bay (not *quite* Thanet.
> Or >so we like to tell ourselves), and as you probably know there's an
> ancient >Kentish law specifying that you aren't allowed to live there if
> you're over >14 or under 70.
>
> >Love Ika
>
> That's really scary - when were you in Herne Bay? I lived there for 3
> years.
> Every time I mentioned where I lived someone would say "Oh, my
> Grandma/aunt/other relative retired there"....
That is indeed terrifying. Everyone's relatives retire to Herne Bay - that's
what it's for. (I remember when they closed down the cinema to build an old
people's home.)
I was there from 1979 to 1989, and went to King's Road Junior School there
before going off on the bus to Canterbury.
Love
Ika
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Date: Mon Jun 19 19:53:07 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Message-Id: <200006191858.TAA16530@ns4.uk2net.com>
Jurgen:
> I'm someone who thinks 'Animals' is great, and I'm not ashamed of it at all!
> I love the character of Dayna and the way she is played by the talented
> Josette Simon. Josette's performance in 'Animals' is excellent. The episode
> shows that Dayna is not just a killer, but that she has feelings too. I
> really sympathise with her when she is tortured and then forced to undergo
> aversion therapy by Servalan (You're absolutely right that Pearce is on top
> form, Una!). At the end I can't keep myself from getting tears in my eyes
I can't imagine disliking any episode which features Servalan torturing Dayna.
And that's all I can say on a family list.
Love,
Ika
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:12:57 -0400
From: "Roberts, Patricia @ CSE" <proberts@mail.cse.l-3com.com>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
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Jell-O is a form of dessert, a gelatin favored confection, comes in many
flavors, cherry, orange, lime, grape. You can mold the Jell-O (its made
with a dry mix and plain old water). It's not jelly.
Pat
856-338-2215
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>
>
> >Why bother? Just make your own out of JELL-O(tm).
>
> Just out of curiosity, what's Jell-O?
Jelly, for those of us that don't speak American English.
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Date: Mon Jun 19 20:08:29 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Re: Travis
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> From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Travis
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:46:13 +0100
>
Harriet:
> > which he's right; if you killed either Servalan or Blake, someone would
> > replace them.
>
Fiona:
> And in the same tape, IIRC, one of Blake's reasons for not killing Travis is
> that if he did, someone else would replace *him.* Hm, maybe the ultimate
> theme of B7 is how ultimately replaceable we all are...
>
H:
> In which case, he really is a mirror image of Blake, who is
> > not concerned with removing corrupt individuals who have persecuted him
> but
> > with overthrowing the whole damn thing.
>
F:
> Agreed. Funny how much the two of them resemble each other, isn't it? In
> that, and in that both men ultimately start out with high ideals, but
> gradually become disillusioned and fail in their initial mission-- the
> system (small s) does for both.
I love the way Star One works to bring out the similarities between them - the
moment when the old bloke/Andromedan (can't remember his name, sorry) is
talking to Blake about being a traitor when he thinks Blake is Travis is
absolutely brilliant. And the parallel between Travis annihilating the human
race to get revenge on (whoever) and Blake being prepared to cause the death of
millions to destroy the Federation. Top stuff. (Plus the "ouch" moment -
thinking of the end of Series 4 - when the old bloke asks where Blake's
eyepatch is....)
> Which may be another reason why Travis hates Blake; on some level he comes
> to recognise someone with a motive he can understand but on the opposite
> side. Sort of a Valjean/Javert sort of thing.
>
> Fiona
Ooh, I like this idea. Thanks.
Love,
Ika
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:41:57 PDT
From: "Isobel Hamilton" <isobel19@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Re: moondiscs
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Thanks very much Lisa and Judith, thats just what I was after!
(I don't think jello/y would be very good to make one out of though.. too
wibbly!)
Isobel
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:28:03 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
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I spend much of today having my computer repaired--the on/off switch broke
off, which is one thing it HADN'T occurred to me to worry about! Watching
Redemption last night, I certainly identified when Jenna called Blake over
to her console when the controls stopped responding, and she snapped "I've
DONE all that already!" when Blake tried to fix it.
Throughout the series, there are innumerable takeovers of computer systems
and ordinary malfunctions--but everyone seems to place absolute faith in the
blasted things nevertheless--especially the teleport bracelets, which seem
to malfunction as often as they actually work properly (in addition to being
very vulnerable to removal by bad guys).
-(Y)
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:34:15 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
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begin Roberts, Patricia @ CSE quotation:
> Jell-O is a form of dessert, a gelatin favored confection, comes in
> many flavors, cherry, orange, lime, grape. You can mold the Jell-O
> (its made with a dry mix and plain old water). It's not jelly.
Commonwealth English uses "jelly" to refer to gelatin, while
American English uses it to refer to jam.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:09:40 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Roberts, Patricia > > You can mold the Jell-O (its made with a dry mix
> > and plain old water). It's not jelly.
Sounds like jelly to me - such mixes are sold as jelly down here.
Which brought something lurking out of the back of my brain. All the
Australians (half of whom can be Vila, the others Avon - fight it out
amongst yourselves), after three:
(to the Aeroplane jelly jingle, of course!)
Shuttles can turn you to jelly
Not the fate I want for me!
The only thing worse
Is Hoffal's curse,
A little each day makes you seventy-three!
This shuttle must fly
As we don't wish to die
Because, otherwise,
We shall fall from the sky.
Shuttles can turn you to jelly
Not the fate I want for me.
Regards
Joanne
(and yes, I should be doing something else at the moment...)
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:11:48 +1000
From: Margaret <zaselpha@mailandnews.com>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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Marian wrote:
>
>Lisa Williams wrote:
>(I'm having a hard enough time gritting my teeth and doing captures for
>"Rumours", which is one of my least favorite episodes but which was a clear
>front-runner in the votes so I'm going to do it and get it over with.)
>
>So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode? [Although I do like the
>opening scene - I love to see My Hero suffer a bit :-) ]
>
If it wasn't for Tarrant's performance, nothing could convince me to
watch Rumours again. He's so entertaining. :) Although, I will grant
that Servalan is interesting here too.
To me, Avon always felt... *wrong* in Rumours. Too many things didn't
seem to add up.
Margaret.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:51:33 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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>
> Jessica wondered:
>
> > Just out of curiosity, what's Jell-O?
>
> I believe Jell-O is the American word for 'jelly';
Actually, a brand name, but used generically for instant gelatin
desserts, because it's about the only one out there.
also, 'jelly' is the
> American word for 'jam'.
In America, jelly is made from the juice of fruit only, brought to a jam
like consistancy; jam is made with boiled fruit as well as juice.
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:30:35 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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At 09:39 PM 6/18/00 +0100, Nyder wrote:
>Happy?
I feel all tingly.
--Penny
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:00:05 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Set in Liberator's galley, shortly after Star One, during a brief lull
in the Andromedan War:
Blake: Avon! I've finally figured it out! I know how we can defeat the
Federation.
Avon: What is it? Get Vila a job as the chef at Space Command?
Blake: Look, what do you suppose the contents of the strong room would
be worth in early 20th century America? Enough to fund a private
business or two?
Avon: Easily. What did you have in mind?
Blake: We'll travel back in time and start an instant jelly company.
We'll call it Jell-O, and we'll put so much money into
advertising it, that those gullible Americans will start to
call all jelly Jell-O. We'll start another company--several
companies--and make clear fruit jams, and market those as jelly.
Avon: Why should we do that?
Vila: To make money. I'm in!
Avon: I somehow doubt that is the point of this exercise. Well, Blake?
Blake: Don't you see? The Americans will call jelly Jell-O, and jam
jelly and jam. The Commonwealth will call Jell-O jelly, and jelly
and jam jam.
Vila: Jelly and jam-jam?
Blake: We'll divide them with their common language. The two sides will
become so polarized that the planet will never unite, and the
Federation will never be formed!
Avon: Thus creating the Tower of Babel out of gelatine. I always
suspected that you had delusions of godhood.
Blake: Have you got a better idea?
Avon: Yes, I have. I'm going to eat my lunch. Vila, what's on the menu
today?
Vila: Peanut butter and Jell-O sandwich, jelly roll, jam tart. And the
leftover aspic with sardines and pickles that you made for supper
last night.
Avon: I'll have some of that. How about you, Blake?
Blake: I'll stick to the jam tart, thanks. Sorry, Avon, but that was a
terrible aspic.
Avon: Forever unappreciated, that's the story of my life...
***
Mistral
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:57:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stiever <stiever@email.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Better than transcripts
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By popular demand( Jurgen ) the audio of episode 14 of Blake's 7 is available as a 2.8 MB mp3 file at;
http://www.idrive.com/stiever/shared
There are some novelized transcripts available in paperback such as "Scorpio Attack" by Trevor Hoyle. I pity the fool who presumes to typify Avon's smiles. Poor Trevor. I like his transcriptions even so as they at least accurately provide the lines spoken.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:59:21 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>Blake: I'll stick to the jam tart, thanks. Sorry, Avon, but that was a
> terrible aspic.
<chuckle> Ah, reputation...
Regards
Joanne
(Bravo! or should that be Brava!)
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:47:21 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] JB7 Jell-O, Inc or is it Jell-O, Ltd.
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And then of course, the company will branch out into puddings, and let's not
get started on different meanings there...
Trish
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: 20 Jun 2000 07:58:02 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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>>>>> "Ika" == Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk> writes:
> I can't imagine disliking any episode which features Servalan
> torturing Dayna. And that's all I can say on a family list.
We'll be waiting for much more detail on the Other List.
--
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"No one expects the waterbuffalos of packet loss!" -- simes
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:50:53 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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On Mon 19 Jun, Minnie wrote:
>
>
> >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Judith Proctor wrote:
> >>
> >> > The neutron blasters always fire forwards. Don't forget to raise the
> neutron
> >> > flare shields before use.
> >>
> >>
>
> >What about the Force walls??
The way I see it is that the force wall is defensive, but the radiation/neutron
flare shields are there to protect the occupants of the ship from the radiation
of their own weapons. The reason they are not raised automatically may be that
they constitute an energy drain or take time to raise and in an emergency
situation the crew might foregoe their use.
Judith
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:49:56 +0200
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
cc: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question - force wall
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> It does annoy me that the 'battle computers' need so much human support to
> do their most basic tasks.
Ah, well, all skiffy computers need an amount of instruction inversely
proportional to the amount of processing required to program it in
real life. Compare Star Trek's computers, that can not only understand
human speech, plus nuances, but also work out who the hell the crew are
referring to, with all the pronouns. Consider also all computers that
need to be *told* to put the %$!"£ shields up when being shot at.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:08:30 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
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Mistral wrote:
> Blake: I'll stick to the jam tart, thanks. Sorry, Avon, but that was a
> terrible aspic.
Argh!
Una
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:06:28 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
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>From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
>To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:28:03 -0400
Dana wrote:
>Throughout the series, there are innumerable takeovers of computer systems
>and ordinary malfunctions--but everyone seems to place absolute faith in
>the
>blasted things nevertheless--especially the teleport bracelets, which seem
>to malfunction as often as they actually work properly (in addition to
>being
>very vulnerable to removal by bad guys).
If I remember correctly this was the point that Jarvik was making in Harvest
of Kairos, but I think because both sides trusted completely in the their
technology it sort of evened it up anyway.
Jessica
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:16:03 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Digest format [was[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #166]
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Helen wrote:
>Pat, I think you do need to turn Outlook into a drinks dispenser.
>I get the digest, but on Netscape. It is in the form of one (huge) email.
For the past year or so my Lysator Digest has come as a multi-part message
(one part for the contents, then however many messages, so Digest 167 was
37 parts) unless it's *really* big in which case it comes in one big
attachment. I think the latter always happened, but once upon a time the
multipart thing didn't. I'm on CompuServe. I asked Calle about it when
the multipart thing started, and he said it was CompuServe's fault, so I
presume the answer is that Pat can't do anything except change ISP.
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:48:47 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Digest format [was[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #166]
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Harriet Monkhouse wrote:
> Helen wrote:
> >Pat, I think you do need to turn Outlook into a drinks dispenser.
> >I get the digest, but on Netscape. It is in the form of one (huge) email.
>
> For the past year or so my Lysator Digest has come as a multi-part message
> (one part for the contents, then however many messages, so Digest 167 was
> 37 parts) unless it's *really* big in which case it comes in one big
> attachment. I think the latter always happened, but once upon a time the
> multipart thing didn't. I'm on CompuServe. I asked Calle about it when
> the multipart thing started, and he said it was CompuServe's fault, so I
> presume the answer is that Pat can't do anything except change ISP.
May I make a suggestion? In Netscape, if you go up to the View menu,
under attachments it gives you a choice of displaying the attachments
inline or as links. Inline, the digest is one long e-mail; as links, lots of
attachments (and so annoying I can't believe anybody puts up with it.)
Though I don't have Outlook on a machine convenient enough to check,
my suggestion is go digging around in the menus and/or configuration
routines and see if there isn't something similar.
Mistral
--
"Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!"
--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:02:41 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Judith Proctor" <Judith@blakes-7.com>,
"Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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>>Judith wrote:
>The way I see it is that the force wall is defensive, but the
radiation/neutron
>flare shields are there to protect the occupants of the ship from the
radiation
>of their own weapons. The reason they are not raised automatically may be
that
>they constitute an energy drain or take time to raise and in an emergency
>situation the crew might foregoe their use.
>
Thanks Judith
Shields are much easier to remember. Shields up and Shields down. easy!!!
<G> Covers everything. :)
Min.
>
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>Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
>Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
>
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Date: 20 Jun 2000 15:21:15 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Digest format [was[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #166]
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>>>>> "Harriet" == Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> writes:
> I asked Calle about it when the multipart thing started, and he said
> it was CompuServe's fault
Well, exactly the same program with exactly the same configuration has
been building the digests since I introduced the listbot back in
August 1995. Just to make sure, I compared one digest from back then
and one from now, and they *are* built the same. So it pretty much has
to be a mailreader issue.
--
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Maintainer of the Blake's 7 mailing list. Mail for info.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:51:13 -0400
From: "Roberts, Patricia @ CSE" <proberts@mail.cse.l-3com.com>
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
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This is great! I'm laughing out loud here at work and getting strange looks
too.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: mistral@ptinet.net [mailto:mistral@ptinet.net]
Subject: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
Set in Liberator's galley, shortly after Star One, during a brief lull
in the Andromedan War:
Blake: Avon! I've finally figured it out! I know how we can defeat the
Federation.
Avon: What is it? Get Vila a job as the chef at Space Command?
Blake: Look, what do you suppose the contents of the strong room would
be worth in early 20th century America? Enough to fund a private
business or two?
Avon: Easily. What did you have in mind?
Blake: We'll travel back in time and start an instant jelly company.
We'll call it Jell-O, and we'll put so much money into
advertising it, that those gullible Americans will start to
call all jelly Jell-O. We'll start another company--several
companies--and make clear fruit jams, and market those as jelly.
Avon: Why should we do that?
Vila: To make money. I'm in!
Avon: I somehow doubt that is the point of this exercise. Well, Blake?
Blake: Don't you see? The Americans will call jelly Jell-O, and jam
jelly and jam. The Commonwealth will call Jell-O jelly, and jelly
and jam jam.
Vila: Jelly and jam-jam?
Blake: We'll divide them with their common language. The two sides will
become so polarized that the planet will never unite, and the
Federation will never be formed!
Avon: Thus creating the Tower of Babel out of gelatine. I always
suspected that you had delusions of godhood.
Blake: Have you got a better idea?
Avon: Yes, I have. I'm going to eat my lunch. Vila, what's on the menu
today?
Vila: Peanut butter and Jell-O sandwich, jelly roll, jam tart. And the
leftover aspic with sardines and pickles that you made for supper
last night.
Avon: I'll have some of that. How about you, Blake?
Blake: I'll stick to the jam tart, thanks. Sorry, Avon, but that was a
terrible aspic.
Avon: Forever unappreciated, that's the story of my life...
***
Mistral
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:54:40 +0100
From: "Dave" <dave@deebee.karoo.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] forcewalls et al
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what i thought was interestin in the makeup of blake 7 and the liberator
was the way they went out of their way not to imitate star trek
which must have sometimes led to a lot of lateral thiking when coming up
with plasma bolts forcewalls and standard by...
i dont think ppl would have held it against them if they had
gone for shields lasers and warps
though i do think down and safe was an original
Dave
"may the hills you climb in life not turn into mountains"
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:13:14 +0100
From: "Dave" <dave@deebee.karoo.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] (B7L) copycats
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:23:49 -0500
From: Susan Moore <Susan.Moore@uni.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
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Mistral wrote:
<snippage>
> Blake: Don't you see? The Americans will call jelly Jell-O, and jam
> jelly and jam. The Commonwealth will call Jell-O jelly, and jelly
> and jam jam.
> Vila: Jelly and jam-jam?
Do they keep jam-jam in Jar-Jar?
<more snippage>
>
> Blake: I'll stick to the jam tart, thanks. Sorry, Avon, but that was a
> terrible aspic.
And how long have you been planning this pun? Excellent work!!
Susan M.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:39:42 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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Judith wrote:
> The way I see it is that the force wall is defensive, but the radiation/
> neutron
> flare shields are there to protect the occupants of the ship from the
> radiation
> of their own weapons. The reason they are not raised automatically may be
> that
> they constitute an energy drain or take time to raise and in an emergency
> situation the crew might foregoe their use.
>
One thing that always bothered me about the force walls was the location of
the point for activation. If they are an intrinsic part of the ship, why
must someone (usually Avon) run from their control stations to activate it?
Trish
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:21:59 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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B7Morrigan@aol.com wrote
> One thing that always bothered me about the force walls was the location
of
> the point for activation. If they are an intrinsic part of the ship, why
> must someone (usually Avon) run from their control stations to activate
it?
Yep, its a very strange design to have the force wall controls down in the
pit. Maybe the designers of the ship thought the crew would always use Zen
to activate them rather than pressing the button themselves.
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:53:27 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Subject: [B7L] Medical question
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Hello,
I know that some members of the list are medical doctors. I have a question
about treatment of heat stroke. If there are any volunteeers to review a
scene in a story, I'll send you the details.
Thanks,
Trish
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:43:02 +0200
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
cc: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
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> Throughout the series, there are innumerable takeovers of computer systems
> and ordinary malfunctions--but everyone seems to place absolute faith in the
> blasted things nevertheless
This is, alas, true to life, as the posts in comp.risks testify.
"I didn't think I'd *need* a backup"
"It must be right: the computer says so."
"Of course it's safe: it's computer-controlled."
"It doesn't need to be encrypted, because the computer blocks access."
and the best one,
"No-one can break into my computer."
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:50:40 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
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Una wrote:
> I believe Jell-O is the American word for 'jelly'; also, 'jelly' is the
> American word for 'jam'.
>
> So a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is actually marginally less
revolting
> sounding than you might think.
I am actually quite partial to a peanut butter/lemon-and-lime marmalade
sandwich.
Neil (who certainly didn't vote for Animals)
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:27:12 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:23:49 -0500 Susan Moore <Susan.Moore@uni.edu>
writes:
> Mistral wrote:
>
> <snippage>
>
>
> > Blake: Don't you see? The Americans will call jelly Jell-O, and
> jam
> > jelly and jam. The Commonwealth will call Jell-O jelly, and
> jelly
> > and jam jam.
> > Vila: Jelly and jam-jam?
Mistral, you are too funny.
>
> Do they keep jam-jam in Jar-Jar?
> <more snippage>
>
Susan, you are too evil.
> >
> > Blake: I'll stick to the jam tart, thanks. Sorry, Avon, but that
> was a
> > terrible aspic.
>
Oh, the pain, the pain.
To make it worse, I keep hearing that old kid's song about the Jell-O
Family in the back of my head....
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:22:21 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:43:02 +0200 Steve Kilbane
<steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> writes:
> > Throughout the series, there are innumerable takeovers of computer
> systems
> > and ordinary malfunctions--but everyone seems to place absolute
> faith in the
> > blasted things nevertheless
>
> This is, alas, true to life, as the posts in comp.risks testify.
>
> "It must be right: the computer says so."
Yes, reminds me of the story of some scientists who did an experiment
giving kids faulty calculators and telling them to do a problem both with
and without the calculator, then pick the answer they thought was right.
The faulty calculator's was usually chosen even when the kids had figured
the correct answer by themselves.
Unlike certain kids in a certain math class I could tell you about, who
were always convinced they had found a mistake in the book when the
answers in the back were different from the answers they'd figured out.
Something tells me Avon had ancestors in this class.
> "No-one can break into my computer."
Hey, I had a computer like that. Too obsolete to be compatible with
anything. Instead of a password, you had to know exactly how to toggle
the switch, wack it on the side, and push in the cord to get it turn on.
100% security.
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:11:50 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>,
"Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Hopkinson <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>; Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [B7L] Travis
>Hi everyone!
Hi Alan. Ever the pedant, I see :).
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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