From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #167 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/167 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 167 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] shooting question Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) [B7L] Re: Orac Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon) [B7L] Re: Boo! Re: [B7L] Bounty [B7L] 'Games' [B7L] Moondiscs Re: [B7L] Re: Travis Re: [B7L] Moondiscs Re: [B7L] Travis Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon) Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon) [B7L] Re:ORAC'S LOYALTIES. [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #166 [B7L] Re: screen captures Re: [B7L] 'Games' Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] Moondiscs Re: [B7L] Moondiscs Re: [B7L] shooting question Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Re: [B7L] Re: screen captures Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs) Re: [B7L] shooting question Re: [B7L] shooting question - force wall Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs) Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs) Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] shooting question - force wall RE: [B7L] Travis Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:18:18 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <003301bfd949$326b5c40$c0ed72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Williams wrote: >(I'm having a hard enough time gritting my teeth and doing captures for "Rumours", which is one of my least favorite episodes but which was a clear front-runner in the votes so I'm going to do it and get it over with.) So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode? [Although I do like the opening scene - I love to see My Hero suffer a bit :-) ] Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:27:50 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "Lysator List" Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question Message-ID: <003801bfd94a$8917aa20$c0ed72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith wrote: >A lot of useful reference material for writers can be found in the Sevencyclopaedia on my web site. Neil Faulkner did a massive amount of work on it and it's being added to by Murray Smith and the occasion tiny bit from myself. It's a marvellous source. Thank you, Neil, Murray and Judith, it must have cost an tremendous amount of time to compile it. And thank everyone who answered my question. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:18:46 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000618131806.00cb58a0@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Marian de Haan wrote: >So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode? I expect we're in a small minority, but no, you're not entirely alone. - Lisa -- _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@raytheon.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroica.simplenet.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:50:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Betty Ragan To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Orac Message-Id: <200006181850.MAA20402@zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU> Responding to me, Sally wrote: > > > and while I agree with you, this is *very* hard to explain, since I don't > think Blake was one of Orac's favourite people *at all* Yes, it seems very strange to me, too. (Actually, come to think about it, there's a *lot* about "Voice from the Past" that strikes me as strange...) But it *does* seem like a counter-example to the point I was making, so I felt honor-bound to mention it. :) > Possibly the whole mental tampering bit is something that pushes buttons in > the part of his personality that came from Ensor? Hmm, actually, I can imagine this being something that might push buttons in Orac quite apart from any attitudes inherited from Ensor. Orac's had first-hand experience of mental possession in "Shadow," and he shows great terror of being under the android's control in "Headhunter," later on. So maybe he'd be sympathetic to a human experiencing mind control. I think that may be ascribing a bit too much compassion to him, though. ("Orac" and "compassion" being words that just don't go together in my mind.) > Or we missed the scene > where Avon threatened him with a rusty laser probe and an acid-bath if there > was *one word* of protest? Now, *that* I can buy. "You'll reprogram Blake, or I'll be reprogramming *you*..." :) -- Betty Ragan ** bragan@nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:53:54 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon) Message-ID: <05af01bfd956$8f027120$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jurgen wrote: > Oh my God, Una, I read your defence of 'Animals' and I agree with you!! > Thank you so much for writing it! I'd like to give you a big hug for that! > Don't worry, you haven't completely lost your cause. :-) I am validated as a human being :) I have to say that hugs are being thrown around this list a lot more freely than I remember. Have you all been replaced by Andromedans? Una ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:57:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Betty Ragan To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Boo! Message-Id: <200006181857.MAA20481@zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU> Una wrote: > Betty wrote: > > > Hi, Una! Coincidentally, I was just thinking about you, as I've > > finally gotten around to reading _A Stitch in Time_. But that's > > woefully off-topic here, I guess... > > :) I guess so. Still like to hear what you thought of it, tho'. Well, despite my personal conviction that Garak is a B7 character who wandered into the Star Trek universe by mistake... :) But I've finished it now. I shall send you an e-mail. (Probably from my other account... once I've got my phone jack fixed. Sigh.) -- Betty Ragan ** bragan@nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:45:19 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Bounty Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun 18 Jun, Andrew Ellis wrote: > Judith, > > Put us down for a possibly. Depends on when etc, since Kent is only an hour > or two away. > > Jackie and Andrew 2nd or 9th September currently seem the best bets. They're both Saturdays and most people should be back from summer holidays by then. Can you and the other list members thinking of coming let me know if those dates are okay? I'll pick the one that most people can make. It looks as though there'll be at least half a dozen of us. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:23:40 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] 'Games' Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII While I'm thinking about location trips, is anyone interested in coming along to Winspit quarry near Swanage on Sunday 30 July. The quarry was used to film 'Games' and has several good caves (like the one the Mecronians used). We do this every year, but many of the local group aren't as keen as they used to be (they've done it too often). I still enjoy it as it's a lovely piece of Dorset coastline with a fantastic view out to sea and it's a great place to have a battle with water pistols. (bring your own supersoaker and something to carry water in) It'd be great to have some new blood along, not least because I know all the best ambush points . If you are interested, the normal rendezvous point is Wareham station at midday and then we car share from there to Worth Matravers. From Worth Matravers you have to go by foot for about half an hour, but it's a lovely walk and well worth it for that alone. It's a good picnic spot, so we always take lunch with us and make a proper outing out of it. Let me know if you want to come so that I don't miss anyone at the rendezvous. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:49:31 PDT From: "Isobel Hamilton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Moondiscs Message-ID: <20000618194931.61823.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, I know there is probably a site out there somewhere.. I suspect I came across it surfing a while back, but can anyone point me in the direction of a site which would have a pic of a Moondisc? Ideally a screen capture with just a moondisc in shot :o) (Or if you've got a pic handy, feel free to email it!) All help much appreciated! Isobel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:13:35 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Travis Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun 18 Jun, Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > In the extremely wonderful tape about Travis, The Final Act, the Divine > Boucher does say "the rest of humanity had betrayed him, in the form of his > family, the service". So that would include Servalan, though I think it > implies the resentment is more generalised. Because we see her so often, > maybe we tend to think of Servalan as being the Federation; Travis has > grown up in the system, so can see the whole picture. > > Boucher goes on: "I don't know whether the destruction of humanity had > become the substitute for killing Blake, whether Blake and humanity were > one and the same thing and therefore you destroyed the two in one fell > swoop..." which I take to mean that actually, he does think that. Anyway, > in both cases it appears that Travis's anger with specific individuals had > extended to much larger targets. He may be crazy, but there's a sense in > which he's right; if you killed either Servalan or Blake, someone would > replace them. In which case, he really is a mirror image of Blake, who is > not concerned with removing corrupt individuals who have persecuted him but > with overthrowing the whole damn thing. I've still got copies of this tape for sale. It was made by the same people who later did Logic of Empite. See http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 I feel that selling out the Andromedans was partly revenge against the Federation that betrayed him. Plus of course that destroying humanity would be the ultimate revenge on Blake. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:29:11 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Moondiscs Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000618152553.00c05100@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Isobel Hamilton wrote: >but can anyone point me in the direction of a site which would have a pic >of a Moondisc? Ideally a screen capture with just a moondisc in shot :o) There are a couple in my library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/B7Lib/html/episodes/images/Shadow/Shado156.html http://lcw.simplenet.com/B7Lib/html/episodes/images/Shadow/Shado178.html Plus a few others of moondiscs and people. - Lisa -- _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@raytheon.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroica.simplenet.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:39:20 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Penny Dreadful" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis Message-ID: <006f01bfd966$6de24460$d51086d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny Dreadful To: Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis > I have nothing to contribute. I'm just so delighted to see someone quoting > from "Trial". Twice. > -- Let's go for the hat trick then: "A field officer, like myself, is frequently required to make fast, unconsidered decisions. You were all field officers, you know that's true. Time to think is a luxury battle seldom affords you. You react instinctively. Your actions, your decisions, all instinct, nothing more. But, an officer's instincts are the product of his training. The more thorough the training, the more predictable the instinct, the better the officer. And I am a good officer. I have been in the service all my adult life. I'm totally dedicated to my duty and highly trained in how to perform it. On Serkasta I, I reacted as I was trained to react. I was an instrument of the service. So if I'm guilty of murder, of mass murder, then so are all of you!" Happy? Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:10:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" To: Una McCormack , Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Message-ID: <20000618211021.27666.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Una McCormack wrote: > Kai wrote: > > > Una wrote: > > rather good: very black > > humour indeed.> > > > > I've read his novel The Last Gasp, which I > wouldn't call monumental, but > > it was pretty enjoyable, occasionally inspiring > (from what I can > > remember). Wow, I never knew he wrote anything other than B7 stuff... Can anyone tell me, by the way, if Trevor Hoyle is any relation to Fred Hoyle, who wrote a bunch of sci-fi books in the sixties I think? Wendy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:34:28 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon) Message-ID: <20000618213428.64184.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Lisa wrote: There you are Una, your beautiful baby got more votes than mine :-) And in case anyone's now querying my taste and/or sanity (more than normal, anyway) may I point out in defence that I get distracted by the beauties of the black shirt and the amount of protective hovering that goes on (Avon *and* Cally). And Jenna and Avon look so good grimly charging down to save Not-In-His-Right-Mind Leader. And there's lots of lovely close-ups when they're quizzing Orac. Also, I did use my other votes more sensibly (Redemption and Killer, and the latter got in - yay!). Lisa, with immaculate taste, has done just about all the best ones already ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:48:13 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon) Message-ID: <20000618214814.40546.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Una wrote: We're all channelling 'Duel'. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:08:56 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re:ORAC'S LOYALTIES. Message-ID: <394D4879.724A@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > My personal canon involves > a *lot* of complaining from Orac each time Avon told him to start looking > for Fearless Leader again ... *That* I believe! Probably even threw a lot of Avon's words to Blake back in his face. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:14:21 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #166 Message-ID: <394D49BD.7D7C@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > By the way, can anyone help me alter my subscription details? I'm currently > on the Digest form, but I'd sooner just receive a large email than one with > the messages as individual attachments. I'm a little wary of attachments. > > Maybe I should reconfigure my e-mail program (Outlook) as a drinks > dispenser - or an empty space! I think it would look good as an empty space. > -misquote from 'Pseudonym' (B7 episode where the crew go to witness the > Teal-Vandor war, from which I cannot remember the title) > > Pat Mmmm? Pat, I think you do need to turn Outlook into a drinks dispenser. I get the digest, but on Netscape. It is in the form of one (huge) email. Any links are clickable, and generally, no attatchments unless someone has put in a soundfile or something as attatchment, which they aren't supposed to do. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:16:40 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: screen captures Message-ID: <394D4A48.6189@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > For the record, "Animals" did get *two* votes last time. > > What?!? That absolutely beggars belief! > > > Una Neil must be trying to butter you up, Una. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:15:48 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Games' Message-ID: <20000618231548.19924.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Judith Proctor >While I'm thinking about location trips, is anyone interested in coming >along to >Winspit quarry near Swanage on Sunday 30 July. Oh damn, damn, damn! Unless I suddenly develop a fairy godmother or a teleport, I won't be there. But I shall expect a report on this as an alternative birthday present! Regards Joanne ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:39:46 -0400 From: Meredith Dixon To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <4cuqkssils4jart4gl26qcq5j5nss2c5ve@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:18:46 -0500, you wrote: >>So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode? *Rumors of Death*, if accepted as canonical, completely spoils *Countdown*, which I like very much. Therefore I dislike it wholeheartedly. -- Meredith Dixon Check out *Raven Days*, for victims and survivors of bullying. And for those who want to help. http://www.pobox.com/~dixonm/raven.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:35:42 -0700 From: Nick Moffitt To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Moondiscs Message-ID: <20000618193542.X32679@zork.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii begin Isobel Hamilton quotation: > I know there is probably a site out there somewhere.. I suspect I > came across it surfing a while back, but can anyone point me in the > direction of a site which would have a pic of a Moondisc? Ideally a > screen capture with just a moondisc in shot :o) Why bother? Just make your own out of JELL-O(tm). -- CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future You are not entitled to your opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:12:01 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Moondiscs Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun 18 Jun, Isobel Hamilton wrote: > Hi, > > I know there is probably a site out there somewhere.. I suspect I came > across it surfing a while back, but can anyone point me in the direction of > a site which would have a pic of a Moondisc? Ideally a screen capture with > just a moondisc in shot :o) > (Or if you've got a pic handy, feel free to email it!) > All help much appreciated! try the Sevencyclopaedia entry for Moondiscs... http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 I think there's some on the Cally entry as well. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 2000 07:46:05 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question Message-ID: <86hfaqi5pe.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "Pat" == Pat Sumner writes: > By the way, can anyone help me alter my subscription details? There are no subscription details beyond on/not on. > I'm currently on the Digest form, but I'd sooner just receive a > large email than one with the messages as individual attachments. The digests are being sent as the MIME type multipart/digest, and they have been for almost five years. How it is presented to you is entirely up to your mailreader. > Maybe I should reconfigure my e-mail program (Outlook) as a drinks > dispenser The drinks would probably turn out poisonous. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se The void faerie hungers for new toys. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 2000 07:49:39 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Message-ID: <86bt0yi5jg.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "Wendy" == Wendy S Penberriss writes: > Can anyone tell me, by the way, if Trevor Hoyle is any relation to > Fred Hoyle, who wrote a bunch of sci-fi books in the sixties I think? No, it's just a coincidence of names. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "...a festering realization that all you do is no more than the futile slapping of paint onto the rotting, decayed infrastructure of the Information Superhighway." -- Jinx_tigr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:31:29 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: screen captures Message-ID: <064701bfd9c2$779e5050$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen wrote: > > For the record, "Animals" did get *two* votes last time. > > > > What?!? That absolutely beggars belief! > > > > > > Una > Neil must be trying to butter you up, Una. That's the only plausible answer. Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:17:40 EST From: "Jessica Taylor" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs) Message-ID: <20000619091740.51541.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Nick Moffitt >To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se >Subject: Re: [B7L] Moondiscs >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:35:42 -0700 >Why bother? Just make your own out of JELL-O(tm). Just out of curiosity, what's Jell-O? Jessica ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:29:28 +0930 From: "Minnie" To: "Judith Proctor" , "Lysator List" Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question Message-ID: <009601bfd9ce$35904180$86ae3acb@marina> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Judith Proctor wrote: >> >> > The neutron blasters always fire forwards. Don't forget to raise the neutron >> > flare shields before use. >> >> >What about the Force walls?? Min. xxx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:30:22 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question - force wall Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Min asked: > > >What about the Force walls?? > Good question. In Harvest of Kairos, Jarvik picks up on a problem with Liberator's force wall coverage. Tarrant tells Dayna to bring up the force wall on overlap so that they could fire through it. It must obviously protect the entire ship because Jarvik sees that Liberator's keel exposed. Dayna was supposed to ask Cally how to do it, but Cally was off helping Avon with his rock. (Dialogue below). Anyway, the force wall has to protect the entire ship. Can't always count on your enemies attacking from the front, can you? TARRANT Oh, yes. Dayna, we'll be counterattacking through the force wall. Bring it into maximum deflection. DAYNA On interlock? TARRANT No, overlap. Ask Cally, she'll put you right. ========= JARVIK In that case: sit down and shut up. [Looks at monitor] He's left his keel exposed. Killer Three, you're in strike range. Fire now! Now! [Liberator is hit; flight deck] ========= ZEN Hull sensors report damage to keel section. TARRANT The keel section? That's impossible! The force wall... Dayna, -- DAYNA Yes, I know. TARRANT Zen, retreat. Standard by Six, bearing Xymines. [To Dayna] I said: overlap. DAYNA I know, but I couldn't find -- TARRANT Didn't Cally show you? DAYNA She wasn't there! ======= Trish "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:57:33 EST From: "Jessica Taylor" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <20000619095733.18246.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Meredith Dixon >Reply-To: dixonm@pobox.com >To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se >Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:39:46 -0400 > >On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:18:46 -0500, you wrote: > >>So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode? Meredith said: >*Rumors of Death*, if accepted as canonical, completely spoils *Countdown*, >which I like very much. Therefore I dislike it wholeheartedly. I have to agree, Countdown was and is one of my favourite episodes and RoD did somewhat spoil it. But I think RoD did have some good moments and helped to explain a lot about Avons character. What I thought was odd was Avon killing the rebellions leader, freeing Servelan and then just leaving the rest of the rebellion to be massacred by the Federation. Just whose side is he on? Jessica ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:05:49 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs) Message-ID: <06d201bfd9d5$f3b685f0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jessica wondered: > Just out of curiosity, what's Jell-O? I believe Jell-O is the American word for 'jelly'; also, 'jelly' is the American word for 'jam'. So a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is actually marginally less revolting sounding than you might think. Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:43:56 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000619053945.00cf5320@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Jessica Taylor wrote: >Just out of curiosity, what's Jell-O? It is a brand name for a fruit (more or less)-flavored gelatin dessert. The brand is so ubiquitous that the name has almost become generic in the US. I'm told the Brits refer to the same stuff as "jelly". In the US, "jelly" is a spread made from fruit juice, pectin, and sugar. We distinguish it from "jam", which is made from fruit puree rather than juice. I have been told the British do not make this distinction and call them both "jam", but I've also been told by other Brits that sometimes they do use "jelly" in the same sense we do. It's all very confusing. - Lisa -- _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@raytheon.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroica.simplenet.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:26:00 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000619132347.00a80550@pop3.wish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:57 20-6-00, Jessica Taylor asked: >What I thought was odd was Avon killing the rebellions leader, freeing >Servelan and then just leaving the rest of the rebellion to be massacred >by the Federation. Just whose side is he on? His own, of course. Avon always had his priorities straight. Whenever said priorities weren't getting overruled by a certain rather annoying fearless leader. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:05:57 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <20000619.091018.-88281.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:57:33 EST "Jessica Taylor" writes: > > > > >From: Meredith Dixon > >Reply-To: dixonm@pobox.com > >To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > >Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) > >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:39:46 -0400 > > > >On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:18:46 -0500, you wrote: > > >>So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode? > Meredith said: > >*Rumors of Death*, if accepted as canonical, completely spoils > *Countdown*, > >which I like very much. Therefore I dislike it wholeheartedly. > > I have to agree, I don't. I think Countdown becomes more ironic, since neither Grant nor Avon know what really happened with Anna and are essentially having their conflict over an illusion, but they are still essentially the same people and Anna's 'death' has still profoundly effected both of them. What I think is missing is the episode after RoD when Avon and Grant meet up again. Countdown was and is one of my favourite episodes > What I thought was odd was > Avon > killing the rebellions leader, freeing Servelan and then just > leaving the > rest of the rebellion to be massacred by the Federation. Just whose > side is > he on? > In fairness to Avon, I think he wasn't paying much attention while the Federation troops were storming the place, by the time he noticed what was going on, pretty much everyone had been massacred. Besides, given how he'd already kept his word with Shrinker, I'm not sure that (if they hadn't been interrupted by all those interesting little turns of events) he would have kept his promise to Servalan in quite the way she expected. A person can be unchained and on their feet with no reference to where they are - or vital status. Yes, he did free her at the end, but he was also feeling pretty suicidal when he did it. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:52:48 +0100 From: Alison Page To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question - force wall Message-ID: <21B0197931E1D211A26E0008C79F6C4AB0C64C@BRAMLEY> Content-Type: text/plain Can I just say I think this is a brilliant piece of dialogue through a space battle. It's almost like a transcription of live speech TARRANT: Dayna, -- DAYNA: Yes, I know. TARRANT: Zen, retreat. Standard by Six, bearing Xymines. [To Dayna] I said: overlap. DAYNA: I know, but I couldn't find -- TARRANT: Didn't Cally show you? DAYNA: She wasn't there! It does annoy me that the 'battle computers' need so much human support to do their most basic tasks, but then it could be that for all the computers they aren't really interfacing with them properly, and so everything works much less well than it should Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:38:02 +0100 From: "Andy Hopkinson" To: "Lysator" , "Judith Proctor" Subject: RE: [B7L] Travis Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Travis knew about the bomb (though I forget how) and expected it to go off and >kill Blake. He was willing to die as long as Blake died too. >I can't now recall why Servalan didn't actually arm the bomb, but there was an >implied reason. I think her main aim was for Krantor to *think* it was armed. Hi everyone! I'm staying with Andy Hopkinson at the moment and so have been able to read the latest chat about Travis (I'm not on email myself). In answer to your questions Judith, it was Cevedic who told Travis that Servalan had put a bomb in his arm, and as for your second query as to why Servalan didn't prime the bomb, well, this is how it worked. Servalan wanted Travis killed and Docholli captured and interrogated by Krantor. the secret of Star One was useless to Krantor, but knowledge of it would put him on the Federation's death-list and allow Servalan to destroy Freedom City. The bomb was not primed because if Travis had reached Docholli before Krantor's men, then the bomb would have exploded, killing them both and ruining Servalan's plan. If Travis had reached Docholli before being killed and Dochilli had performed the repair, as far as Krantor's men were concerned Travis would still have been a target, because the fact that Travis hadn't been blown to pieces would have been confirmation that the repair had not yet taken place. If you follow me... Another question that has come up over the years is who fixed Travis' arm back on after the episode, because Docholli had left at that point. I think we can assume that one of the mutoids aboard his stolen Pursuit Ship did it for him. After all they were part bionic themselves and therefore should be capable of self maintenance. Alan Stevens "Don't make me kill you Par." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:50:07 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs) Message-ID: <20000619215007.A3327@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 07:17:40PM -0500, Jessica Taylor wrote: > > >From: Nick Moffitt > >To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > >Subject: Re: [B7L] Moondiscs > >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:35:42 -0700 > > > >Why bother? Just make your own out of JELL-O(tm). > > Just out of curiosity, what's Jell-O? Jelly, for those of us that don't speak American English. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://www.foobox.net/~kat \_.--.*/ | http://jove.prohosting.com/~rubykat v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #167 **************************************