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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 165
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty)
Re: [B7L] Re: Introduction & Murals
Re: [B7L] Research
Re: [B7L] Travis
Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
Re: [B7L] Travis
[B7L] Boo!
Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
[B7L] Looking Down
Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
[B7L] question..
Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ...
[B7L] Orac
Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ...
[B7L] MB personality test..
Re: [B7L] Orac
Re: [B7L] Orac
[B7L] Josette Simon
[B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon
Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
Re: [B7L] Travis
Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
Re: [B7L] Boo!
Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty)
Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
Re: [B7L] Boo!
Re: [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon
Re: [B7L] Travis
Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
Re: [B7L] Boo!
Re: [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon
[B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) and locations
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:23:18 +0100
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
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> From: Jurgen van de Sanden <blakes7@hotmail.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
> Date: 15 June 2000 21:51
>
> Does anybody on this mailing list feel like writing novelised transcripts
of
> the B7 episodes like Jill Sylvan did?
I'd do it but for the fact that my floppy drive has given up the ghost and
died, and my copies of the transcripts are all on floppies...
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Date: Fri Jun 16 11:29:44 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty)
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> On Tue 13 Jun, Neil Faulkner wrote:
> >
> > The museum is *fantastic*. It's full of dioramas of stuffed animals (an
> > earlier Powell-Cotton was an enthusiastic big game hunter who later turned
> > conservationist). The first gallery you walk into, you see a glass case in
> > front of you, about 20 feet high, with whole *trees* in it. And the
> > branches are dripping with monkeys.
>
> Sounds great. Ideosyncratic museums can be really interesting. I'll add it
to
> the tour.
>
> Judith
I used to get dragged off to Quex Park & museum a lot when I was tiny & lived
in the area, and it's a real shame I can't make it this summer because it
really is the maddest thing ever. I don't know if my memory is playing tricks
on me but I'm sure there's a life-sized model of a man fighting a tiger. And
possibly an elephant. And I remember flying squirrels, too.
But it was a long time ago...
Love,
Ika
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Date: Fri Jun 16 11:36:59 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Introduction & Murals
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> Isobel said:
> > Oh, one last thing.. I'm a mural painter, so if anyone would like to
> > commission a B7 mural.. ;o) http://surf.to/murals
> >
> Welcome, Isobel.
> A B7 mural---what a wonderful idea! Now all you need is a rich B7 fan in
> England with a big wall and a family that doesn't object to the fan's
> obsession. I hope you get a taker.
>
> Joyce Bowen
How rich? My housemate (fan) is planning to remodel her cellar over the next
few months, and might be persuadable...
But she is skint.
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:54:03 +0000
From: Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Research
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>> I'm testing my writing skills on a B7 fan fic - its something I've
>>never done before, so I'm not sure how it'l turn out. But I need a
>>little help with a fact. The crystals the crew were after in City - did
>>they ever get named? I know they were used in the Liberator's weaponry
>>system, but was there anymore information given? I can't remember if
>>they were mentioned in any other episode. Anyone know? Steve
>>Dobson.
Dear Steve,
Very little information was given about the crystals in 'City'. They were
not named, and no other information was mentioned about them other than
that they were needed for the ship's weaponry system. We saw what they
looked like, and the handful Vila brought back to the ship were sufficient,
suggesting that they were quite powerful; and that is all. To the best of
my knowledge, they didn't appear in any other episode.
Yours,
Murray
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:16:42 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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>From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
>To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
>Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:16:52 +0200
>I hope this helped with your story.
>
>Jacqueline
I think so, thanks a lot for the help, despite my rather abrupt request
(sorry, I was a little frustrated).
Take care all.
Jessica
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Date: 16 Jun 2000 13:20:20 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
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>>>>> "David" == David A McIntee <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
> I'd do it but for the fact that my floppy drive has given up the ghost and
> died, and my copies of the transcripts are all on floppies...
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/b7scripts/
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:11:04 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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At 21:15 15-6-00, Judith Proctor wrote:
>On Thu 15 Jun, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote:
>
> > That doesn't mean that he stopped hating Blake, but the drive was
> gone. Just
> > look at Gambit, where he barely seemed interested in the fact that
> Blake was
> > standing next to him and even allowed Blake to take care of the bomb in
> his
> > arm. That's a far cry from the rabid hatred we saw in Weapon
>
>I think a lot of people miss that point as it isn't very clear in the
>episode.
>Travis knew about the bomb (though I forget how) and expected it to go off and
>kill Blake. He was willing to die as long as Blake died too.
I just rewatched the episode and you're right. But Travis only heard about
the bomb from that enforcer of Krantor that he'd shot a few minutes before
he found out that Blake was there (he said he expected Blake, but I
seriously doubt that he expected Blake to show up at that exact moment). I
think he expected to die no matter what he did since the bomb was
(according to the guard) set to go off after a certain amount of time or
immediately when the arm was removed. Docholli wasn't exactly an explosives
expert, so Travis must have figured that if he was going to die anyway, he
might as well take Blake with him. He did react more violently than I
remembered after Blake discovered the explosive, but I think that may have
been a reaction to Servalan's decision to finally really get rid of him,
first by showing up with a new puppet at her side (IIRC, Travis only ever
bothers to call people names when they've attracted Servalan's attention in
such a way that they might interfere with his priorities and so it's quite
interesting to see that he takes the time to call Jarriere a powder puff or
something like that) and then by trying to kill him. He was acting quite
sane and calm before he met Servalan. Afterwards, he was just about
ordering Docholli to set off the bomb, and he didn't even try to attack
Blake once it was discovered. He simply pulled his arm out of Blake's hands
in a rage and then nearly begged to be shot. Like Blake said (while
channeling counsellor Troi <gag>): killing Travis at that point would have
been a mercy.
In short, I still think that at this point getting Servalan to take him
back was more important to Travis than killing Blake and her rejection of
him was a devastating blow. The fact that she did it again in The Keeper
was probably enough to push him all the way over the edge. I have a
sneaking suspicion that his desire after that episode to destroy the
Federation was pretty much his way of smashing Servalan's favorite toy,
because she'd been mean to him.
>I can't now recall why Servalan didn't actually arm the bomb, but there was an
>implied reason. I think her main aim was for Krantor to *think* it was armed.
She wanted to make sure that Krantor met Docholli while the doc was still
alive and potentially capable of telling Krantor about Star One. After all,
she could hardly expect the Federation to put Krantor on their most wanted
list and approve an invasion of Freedom City if he'd only been in contact
with Docholli's dead body.
Jacqueline
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:28:23 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Boo!
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Wotcha, everyone.
Well, the arms are damn near fine, and I was feeling deprived of all that
lovely friendly Blakey email popping into my inbox.
I see from the archives that Neil has been passing off pictures of me as
himself. Remember, Neily-babes: 'usually sadistic and malevolent creatures,
goblins have a connection to the dark arts. The rare goblin who is smart and
cunning enough can master dark magic and become a chillingly cruel
opponent'. Missed me?
Una
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:27:01 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Kai V Karmanheimo <karmanhe@cc.helsinki.fi>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
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Jurgen wrote:
<Does anybody on this mailing list feel like writing novelised transcripts
of
the B7 episodes like Jill Sylvan did? That would really be great. I know
it's a LOT of work, but it would certainly be appreciated by many fans.
Unfortunately I can't do it myself, as I'm not a native speaker of
English... :-(>
I wrote novelisations of five episodes about ten years ago, but
unfortunately they were in Finnish (with the dialogue translated), so they
are of no use here. I did them mostly to practise my writing for my own
projects, because having the story and the dialogue ready makes it easier
to concentrate on the representation alone. And it did allow me to add
internal monologues and other stuff of my own to the basic framework. I
can now look back on them with a sense of embarrassment, but then again I
do think my version of "Project Avalon" was better than Trevor Hoyle's and
he got his published!
However, it would be interesting to have more fan-written novelisations
available in English, even several of the same episode. That would be one
way of seeing how different people see the same episode, what things they
emphasise etc. You could do an anthology of different readings of one
episode ("The Way Back - Ad Nauseam"?) If anyone has the necessary time
and skill...
Kai
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:54:47 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
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Kai wrote:
> my version of "Project Avalon" was better than Trevor Hoyle's and
> he got his published!
I read an SF novel of Trevor Hoyle's and it was rather good: very black
humour indeed.
Una
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:25:09 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Looking Down
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Although Web sites often describe themselves as "vertical portals," as if
this were something special, the only "horizontal portal" I can think of is
a manhole cover. I happened to look down at one today, and TELEPORT was
embossed into it. And me without my bracelet....
-(Y)
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:32:30 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
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On Fri 16 Jun, David A McIntee wrote:
>
>
> ----------
> > From: Jurgen van de Sanden <blakes7@hotmail.com>
> > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> > Subject: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
> > Date: 15 June 2000 21:51
> >
> > Does anybody on this mailing list feel like writing novelised transcripts
> of
> > the B7 episodes like Jill Sylvan did?
>
> I'd do it but for the fact that my floppy drive has given up the ghost and
> died, and my copies of the transcripts are all on floppies..
Fear not. You can find all the transcripts on my web site as well as at
Lysator.
Darn, there goes your excuse <grin>
Judith
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:35:22 PDT
From: "Isobel Hamilton" <isobel19@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] question..
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>Now all you need is a rich B7 fan in England with a big wall and a >family
>that doesn't object to the fan's obsession. I hope you get a >taker.
Just have to wait and see I suppose! I've decided a life size painting of a
character would be rather nice.. and I'm trying to restrain myself from
attempting an Avon.. but I don't know how much longer I can resist trying
:o)
>According to the Meyers Briggs test, I'm Travis (no need to ask which
> >one).
I've heard mentions about this.. is this just people working out what
character type they are and comparing it to the B7 list or has someone
actually made a wonderful quiz which will tell you which B7 character you
are most like?
Isobel
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:41:41 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ...
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Fiona wrote:
<No, no, I'm with Mistral - I think that woman could wear a gunnysack and it
would look good on her. Frankly if she could manage to wear those outfits in
"Pressure Point" (ooh, that hat!) and maintain a modicum of dignity, she
*can* carry off anything.>
Oh, I'll agree about the sack (though I'm still holding out on the pink and
green lace bon bon).
It's interesting how - errr - varied her taste in clothing is
(notwithstanding the fact that late 70s retro is fashionable anyway). She
wears a lot of gorgeous clothes (my personal favourite is still the very
first outfit we see her in in SLD, though the one in Star One is lovely too)
and wears them beautifully. But there's the chickenwire neck-protector in
Weapon, the vulture costume in Animals, the above-mentioned outfit in
Pressure Point (although there were a lot of bad costumes running around
that one mutter grumble) and I have a personal distaste for the
nightie-with-dried-pasta-decoration in Terminal.
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:18:21 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Orac
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Did Orac have loyalties? I like to think he did, and for a story I'm trying to
work out in my head, it may be relevent, but I keep running up against Volcano.
MORI: We know that Servalan is
coming with more reinforcements. We know that we're
safe here until she does. We also know that we're
going to get at least a million credits from her for
this little toy. So, Orac, I'm talking to you. You
can provide Servalan with a flight path that evades
the long range detectors on this planet. That will
come in very useful. Can you do that?
ORAC: I have access to the necessary data banks. It is
really quite simple. If an attacking force comes in
at zero three seven degrees approach they will find
the blind spot in the detectors and thence can use
tactical missiles with impunity.
Why does Orac give them the answer? Is Orac just a machine that must reply to
any question asked it? I think not (if Orac doesn't want to answer, it
generally involves a long argument to get your own way)
Does Orac have any sympathies with the Federation? I doubt it. He had Ensor's
personality.
Can anyone give me a convincing reason why Orac sells out the crew?
Judith
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:52:43 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ...
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begin Sally Manton quotation:
> It's interesting how - errr - varied her taste in clothing is
> (notwithstanding the fact that late 70s retro is fashionable
> anyway). She wears a lot of gorgeous clothes (my personal favourite
> is still the very first outfit we see her in in SLD, though the one
> in Star One is lovely too) and wears them beautifully. But there's
> the chickenwire neck-protector in Weapon, the vulture costume in
> Animals, the above-mentioned outfit in Pressure Point (although
> there were a lot of bad costumes running around that one mutter
> grumble) and I have a personal distaste for the
> nightie-with-dried-pasta-decoration in Terminal.
Let's not forget the scalloped mesh random-circular-thing from
Gambit! That was the only outfit that seemed to make her less than
graceful. She tended to fidget with it when she walked around.
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:53:30 PDT
From: "Isobel Hamilton" <isobel19@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] MB personality test..
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In response to my question before, I did a little searching and found a quiz
myself, and I seem to be an INTJ. Which apparently makes me either Avon or
Cally, depending on opinion, which is fine with me!
Isobel
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:58:43 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Orac
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begin Judith Proctor quotation:
> Did Orac have loyalties? I like to think he did, and for a story
> I'm trying to work out in my head, it may be relevent, but I keep
> running up against Volcano.
[Orac gives Mori a safe trajectory]
> Why does Orac give them the answer? Is Orac just a machine that
> must reply to any question asked it? I think not (if Orac doesn't
> want to answer, it generally involves a long argument to get your
> own way)
Orac is self-important in a way that Avon and Vila exploit in
Gambit. They pull the old "I bet you can't shrink yourself down!"
routine, and Orac simply *has* to prove his superiority. Perhaps Orac
found thie trajectory puzzle interesting enough to want to solve, and
difficult enough to want to brag.
Normally Orac refuses to answer a question when he feels it
was asked or phrased foolishly. That's another form of bragging,
really.
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:08:35 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
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Judith asked:
>
> Why does Orac give them the answer? Is Orac just a machine that must
reply
> to any question asked it? I think not (if Orac doesn't want to answer, it
> generally involves a long argument to get your own way)
>
> Does Orac have any sympathies with the Federation? I doubt it. He had
Ensor's
> personality.
>
> Can anyone give me a convincing reason why Orac sells out the crew?
>
I found that scene unusual for another reason. Servalan's fleet (you know
the 8 ships that attacked Liberator and the 8 ships that retreated after 3 of
them were destroyed <g>) would use the information to threaten and attack the
planet, therefore threatening Orac's safety. Usually that is one of his
primary concerns, and often his loyalty to the crew is really self-serving.
In this case, giving Mori the coordinates doesn't really endanger Liberator
so much as it endangers those on the planet (Cally, Tarrant, and Dayna).
I agree with Nick that Orac did like the challenge aspect, but wondered how
Orac thought Mori and company would get it/him to safety. It may have
calculated that its chance of survival was better if Servalan's threat was
successful than if he remained in the hands of Federation officers while
Servalan's fleet was destroyed. He miscalculated the planet's resistance,
didn't he?
Trish
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:36:30 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Josette Simon
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Josette Simon just got awarded an OBE ! (for her Shakespearean work I rather
suspect <grin>)
Judith
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Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:47:21 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon
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Judith wrote:
> Josette Simon just got awarded an OBE ! (for her Shakespearean work I
> rather
> suspect <grin>)
Not for Animals? Una will be disappointed...
Trish
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:46:05 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Nick Moffitt" <nick@zork.net>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
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----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
Sorry Nick, but is anyone else having trouble reading this? Your message
came as an attatchment which I couldn't open.
Fiona
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:45:57 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>, <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jessica Taylor <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:54 PM
Subject: [B7L] Travis
> Can anyone help me,
> What exactly do you think Travis's motives were. That is was his crusade
> against Blake solely about getting revenge or was there some patriotism
> there too. I'm trying to write something and it's bugging me.
I'm most inclined to go with the character portrait from "The Final Act"
(some of you are going "well she would, wouldn't she?" :) )-- that in a
sense, the only family, the only society Travis knew was the military.
Notice how he toes the party line with Servalan regardless of whether he
agrees with her actions, cos she's the commander; how he'll go all out for a
fellow soldier, simply because he's "one of ours." Without the military,
Travis' mental state, which had previously been simply obsessive, tips over
into downright insanity.
So I'm not sure it's so much patriotism as, in a sense, "family" loyalty;
Blake, being against the Federation and thus against its military (not to
mention not adverse to causing the deaths of a few of its members), is
raising two fingers to the institution which is effectively the source of
Travis' personal identity.
So I'd say revenge was a big part of it, but I'm not sure about the other
bit. You can call that sort of loyalty patriotism if you like, but since
it's loyalty to an institution, not necessarily a country (empire,
mega-state, whatever), I'm not inclined to call it that.
"He broke the rules." "Which rules are those?" "The only ones that matter.
Ours."
Fiona
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:39:57 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
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Nyder wrote :
[B7L] Types of Cats
>
> Sorry Nick, but is anyone else having trouble reading this? Your message
> came as an attatchment which I couldn't open.
>
There's something in Outlook Express which doesn't like his messages.
Before you open his messages, you need to right click on it and select
properties. Click on the details tab, then click on Message Source. The
message will show up in a special window.
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:48:51 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Boo!
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Una wrote:
> I see from the archives that Neil has been passing off pictures of me as
> himself. Remember, Neily-babes: 'usually sadistic and malevolent
creatures,
> goblins have a connection to the dark arts. The rare goblin who is smart
and
> cunning enough can master dark magic and become a chillingly cruel
> opponent'. Missed me?
Awww, 'Neily-babes', how sweet. Well, Yoona-woo-woo-kins, I think in your
case it's the other way round, in that being a mistress of dark magic and a
chillingly cruel opponent has turned you into a goblin. And made you
sadistic and malevolent to boot. Fight it, woman, fight it! While you
still have the chance!
Neil
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:42:46 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty)
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Ika wrote:
> I used to get dragged off to Quex Park & museum a lot when I was tiny &
lived
> in the area, and it's a real shame I can't make it this summer because it
> really is the maddest thing ever. I don't know if my memory is playing
tricks
> on me but I'm sure there's a life-sized model of a man fighting a tiger.
And
> possibly an elephant. And I remember flying squirrels, too.
Your memory is playing tricks, but not by that much. It's actually a lion
fighting a buffalo (the lion being the same one that mauled Powell-Cotton on
one of his expeditions. There's definitely an elephant in one of the
exhibits. Also an aardvark. I definitely remember the aardvark.
Neil
PS: How did you escape from Thanet? Is there some network that smuggles
people out?
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:49:50 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Kai V Karmanheimo <karmanhe@cc.helsinki.fi>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
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Una wrote:
<I read an SF novel of Trevor Hoyle's and it was rather good: very black
humour indeed.>
I've read his novel The Last Gasp, which I wouldn't call monumental, but
it was pretty enjoyable, occasionally inspiring (from what I can
remember). It *was* better than his Project Avalon book (I haven't read
his two other novelisations so I can't comment on those).
I remember coming across Project Avalon in a second-hand bookshop at the
time when my interest in Blake's 7 was probably at its lowest. After
reading the novel, I actually wondered what I had ever seen in the whole
series (re-watching a couple of episodes reminded me). I don't know, but
somehow the book seems to go through the motions of the episodic plots
without conveying any of the feel or the intrigue of the characters or the
situations, apart from a couple of inspired moments, and contributing
nothing that would strengthen the original material. His only addition
that has stuck to my mind is the one in a "Duel" scene, where Avon tells
Gan to go back to counting his fingers and Gan replies that Avon's broken
teeth would be better practice...
Kai
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:27:35 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Boo!
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Neil wrote:
> Una wrote:
> > I see from the archives that Neil has been passing off pictures of me as
> > himself. Remember, Neily-babes: 'usually sadistic and malevolent
creatures,
> > goblins have a connection to the dark arts. The rare goblin who is smart
and
> > cunning enough can master dark magic and become a chillingly cruel
> > opponent'. Missed me?
>
> Awww, 'Neily-babes', how sweet. Well, Yoona-woo-woo-kins, I think in your
> case it's the other way round, in that being a mistress of dark magic and
a
> chillingly cruel opponent has turned you into a goblin. And made you
> sadistic and malevolent to boot. Fight it, woman, fight it! While you
> still have the chance!
<dabs eyes> Neil, you always say the nicest things <sob>
Una
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:24:56 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon
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Trish wrote:
> Judith wrote:
>
> > Josette Simon just got awarded an OBE ! (for her Shakespearean work I
> > rather
> > suspect <grin>)
>
> Not for Animals? Una will be disappointed...
A typical oversight on the part of our lords and masters.
Una
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:58:20 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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At 09:45 AM 6/16/00 +0100, Nyder wrote:
>"He broke the rules." "Which rules are those?" "The only ones that matter.
>Ours."
and
>Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
I have nothing to contribute. I'm just so delighted to see someone quoting
from "Trial". Twice.
--
For A Dread Time, Call Penny:
http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:56:53 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
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Kai wrote:
> Una wrote:
> <I read an SF novel of Trevor Hoyle's and it was rather good: very black
> humour indeed.>
>
> I've read his novel The Last Gasp, which I wouldn't call monumental, but
> it was pretty enjoyable, occasionally inspiring (from what I can
> remember).
This was a novel called 'Vail', and was a quite well-observed near future
police state type book of the sort that were popular in the 1980s. It had a
very sick, Soylent Green theme, IIRC.
About 18 months ago, I saw his new novel was being promoted, so I read the
back cover and was hugely entertained to see him described on the lines of:
'Britain's most promising and stylish SF writer'. My, how we laughed. I
didn't buy it.
> It *was* better than his Project Avalon book (I haven't read
> his two other novelisations so I can't comment on those).
The others are workmanlike. The first one is quite interesting in that he
appears to be working from an earlier version of the script than the one
that's transmitted. There are just little bits here and there that you don't
get on screen, such as people's clothes being the colour of the job they do.
I remember being thrilled getting my hands on it. I was about 11 (so 1983,
just after the 4th season repeats), and the library tracked it down for me.
It was the hardback edition and it looked fab. It was one of the most
exciting things that had ever happened to me at the time and I read it cover
to cover that day and pretty much every day after that. I wondered if I
could pinch it, but I was still a model citizen at that stage, and sadly
handed it back when the loan was up.
'Scorpio Attacks' is a pile of shit. At least I got it for 10p. It was the
only piece of B7 stuff that I got rid of in our recent clear out of SF gear.
In fact, I think I actually had to give it away ('Take the shite Dr Who
Target novelizations and I'll chuck in a 'Scorpio Attacks...').
Una
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:41:04 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Boo!
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From Una:
><dabs eyes> Neil, you always say the nicest things <sob>
Give him a big hug, Una.
Marian
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:58:56 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon
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Trish:
<Not for Animals? Una will be disappointed...>
and Una:
<A typical oversight on the part of our lords and masters.>
Actually, Una, didn't you miss my confession that I'm developing a soft spot
for the wretched thing? (I still haven't worked out if it's in my heart or
head.)
I know my faltering approbation isn't as impressive as an official award
OTOH, it's probably the closest Animals will come ...)
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:02:34 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] shooting question
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For a story I'm writing I need to know how Liberator's cannons (or whatever
they're called) work. Does Liberator's nose has to point towards the target
in order to aim or can the cannons be turned independent of the ship's
position?
I can only remember one occasion of Liberator firing, in Volcano, and there
the ship seems to be shooting straight forward. Are there any occasions
where the cannons shoot sideways or to the rear?
Marian
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Date: Sat Jun 17 15:55:15 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) and locations
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> Ika wrote:
> > I used to get dragged off to Quex Park & museum a lot when I was tiny &
> lived
> > in the area, and it's a real shame I can't make it this summer because it
> > really is the maddest thing ever. I don't know if my memory is playing
> tricks
> > on me but I'm sure there's a life-sized model of a man fighting a tiger.
> And
> > possibly an elephant. And I remember flying squirrels, too.
>
> Your memory is playing tricks, but not by that much. It's actually a lion
> fighting a buffalo (the lion being the same one that mauled Powell-Cotton on
> one of his expeditions. There's definitely an elephant in one of the
> exhibits. Also an aardvark. I definitely remember the aardvark.
>
> Neil
What about the flying squirrels? I don't remember an aardvark. The lion
fighting a buffalo sounds about right, though.
>
> PS: How did you escape from Thanet? Is there some network that smuggles
> people out?
If only. I was actually in - wait for it - Herne Bay (not *quite* Thanet. Or so
we like to tell ourselves), and as you probably know there's an ancient Kentish
law specifying that you aren't allowed to live there if you're over 14 or under
70.
Love Ika
PS: Dragging Bounty back in by hook or by crook: isn't it a tragedy that I
never started watching B7 till I moved out of Kent? (Though now I live near -
taran-tara - Leeds University. Oh, hey, this can be on topic after all.
Anybody know which episodes used which bits of Leeds University? I was all over-
excited when I thought I spotted a lecture hall in Voice from the Past, but
apparently that's in Wembley.)
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