From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #138 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume00/138 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 138 Today's Topics: [B7L] zine prices and dollar exchange rate Re: [B7L] Ghost Dogs in Space Re: [B7L] 20 things that never happen... Re: [B7L] a question re Xenon base Re: [B7L] a question re Xenon base Re: [B7L] Re: Orac and Star One [B7L] Something in the SMH Re: [B7L] a question re Xenon base [B7L] Avon reading Blake [B7L] First Contact Re: [B7L] a question re Xenon base Re: [B7L] a question re Xenon base Re: [B7L] First Contact Re: [B7L] Avon reading Blake Re: [B7L] First Contact ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:02:59 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org> Subject: [B7L] zine prices and dollar exchange rate Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0517070259-b49Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The pound has been losing strength against the dollar and has finally passed the point where we have to change all the zine prices in response. The net result is that English zines (anything published by myself, Neil Faulkner, Helen Patrick, Chris Blenkarn) will become cheaper to Americans, but anything that I import from America will become more expensive to British buyers. The price change will take effect at the weekend. Any orders made using the on-line ordering system before that date will be honoured at the old price (regrdless of whether they are paid by credit card or cheque. As long as I recieve the cheque within a week of you placing the order) Judith PS. If anyone overseas wants to join the Avon club (the Paul Darrow fan club run by Ann Bown, with two small but regular newsletters every year) and is put off by the problem of paying in pounds, then get in touch with me and I'll see if I can sort out the currency conversion for you. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:35:06 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Ghost Dogs in Space Message-ID: <20000517.101051.-434589.2.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 15 May 2000 14:15:43 -0400 Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> writes: > Talking of films currently on the circuit, I went to see Jim > Jarmusch's > excellent Ghost Dog yesterday, and was thinking how nicely the Forest > Whitaker character would work in the B7 universe. Then one of those > carrier pigeons rang a bell somewhere in my head... > > Can anyone doubt that Jarriere was in fact a highly-skilled, > deep-thinking > Samurai warrior, who used white doves to communicate with his > employers? I haven't seen Ghost Dog, so [scratches head in complete confusion] Jarriere? Samurai? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:26:37 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] 20 things that never happen... Message-ID: <20000517.101051.-434589.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 16 May 2000 07:52:44 +0200 "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> writes: > But imagine the shock of the others after finding > themselves > abandoned on some neutral planet! (Blake's too honourable to leave > them > within the Federation's grasp.) They'd team up pretty fast to find > a way to > get back to Liberator. Could make an enjoyable piece of fanfiction. > :-) And, of course, Avon would be explaining at great length that they were only doing this for selfish reasons. That fact Blake hired all his 'revolutionaries' from the Arlen Employment Agency on Gauda Prime had _nothing_ to do with it. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:30:51 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] a question re Xenon base Message-ID: <20000517.101051.-434589.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 16 May 2000 02:30:17 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com> writes: > Could anyone tell me if we actually got a look at anyone's private > rooms > (especially bedrooms and no this is *not* a question for the Other > List!) on > Xenon? Or any hints of what they might have been like? We got a few > bare > (very very bare actually <g>) hints about the Liberator cabins, but > I can't > recall any similar hints in 4th season. Well, this is only an inference, but I guessed they had private baths from Avon's comment about Soolin switching guns while he was bathing (if they all had to stand in line to use the bathroom at the end of the hall, Avon would have had three people outside the door ahead of her (don't tell me he wouldn't have gotten dibs on the first shower). After that, they probably all had very large locks on the doors and perhaps a few other security devices. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:04:36 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com> To: "Blakes 7 List" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] a question re Xenon base Message-ID: <009101bfc054$58828d80$a1259ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote : > Could anyone tell me if we actually got a look at anyone's private rooms > (especially bedrooms and no this is *not* a question for the Other List!) on > Xenon? Or any hints of what they might have been like? We got a few bare > (very very bare actually <g>) hints about the Liberator cabins, but I can't > recall any similar hints in 4th season. The most we ever saw on the Xenon base was the main lounge area, the teleport room and a few corridors, not really much else. Its a shame really. Steve Dobson The Blakes 7 Files http://webhome.idirect.com/~cgorman/b7/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:12:28 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com> To: "Blakes 7 List" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Orac and Star One Message-ID: <009601bfc055$72e003a0$a1259ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Alison wrote : > But clearly the signals can't be sent by any kind of normal carrier as the > transmission would have to be instantaneous - or at least bloody fast - for > example to control space flight in real time. So we are going out of the > realm of known physics anyway. I suggest the signals get from star one to > wherever they are needed without passing through the intermediate space - > it's the only system that would work. It's no more (and possibly less) > preposterous than FTL drive after all. Maybe some form of wormhole effect used for the communication beams, which is theoretically possible. But then if I remember the episode Shadow correctly, Orac's communication beams drop into another dimension - where I guess the laws of physics are different allowing faster transmission times - so Star One's communications could use the same technology. Maybe Orac only had the ability to transmit through this different dimension and not intercept messages travelling through it. Steve Dobson The Blakes 7 Files http://webhome.idirect.com/~cgorman/b7/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:11:31 EST From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Something in the SMH Message-ID: <20000518011131.29230.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sound like anyone we know? "I shall rule with an iron fist, an velvet glove, an easy crown and a nice little blue frock with sequins." (jokingly attributed to Nicholas Whitlam of the NRMA by the Sydney Morning Herald) Regards Joanne ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:12:10 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] a question re Xenon base Message-ID: <013b01bfc06f$4729fc60$2fae4e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton asked about Xenon base, about which I have no information (although I did write a slash story with reference to Scorpio cabins and especially its squash court). Sally notes: > We got a few bare > (very very bare actually <g>) hints about the Liberator cabins, but I can't > recall any similar hints in 4th season. Ah, but several minutes of Sarcophagus take place in Cally's cabin. I was surprised at how large it was, and I'm still shuddering about the silver lame close covers on the bolsters on her bunk. My surmise is that the slipcovers were even worse, so she took them off. -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:18:25 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Avon reading Blake Message-ID: <000801bfc03d$1e70a4e0$4bef72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The list seems uncommonly quiet today: not a single message (unless the mail isn't getting through). Time for a test, but since I don't want to bother the list with just that, I'll use the chance to inflict my latest pondering on you all :-) Of all the S1-2 crew, Avon seems the one able to read Blake the most accurately. As early as in Cygnus Alpha he calls Blake a crusader, which IMO is the best single word to describe him. Then in Duel, he knows that Blake isn't going to kill Travis even before Blake himself realises that. And in Pressure Point he's the only one who doesn't believe in Blake's story about the long-range reconnaissance of Earth's perimeter defences. He didn't do badly with Tarrant either. Granted, he didn't see through the Federation Officer disguise bit that's understandable since that's what Tarrant had been trained for. Later on he treats him with contempt, showing he doesn't take his threats seriously. (I love his smile in 'Dawn' and the unconcerned "It has been tried" to Tarrant's remark about having to kill him one day. And the adult way in which he treats Tarrant's ramblings in 'Sarcophagus'.) So it seems that even if he hasn't got Blake's leadership qualities, Avon can at least make an accurate assessment of people. This seems to contradict his poor assessment skills regarding Anna and Tynus. But "love makes blind" as we say in the Netherlands ;-), and I don't think he trusted Tynus very much. He was very quick to come up with the blackmail threat, which looks to me as if he was prepared for Tynus's refusal. It's clear though, that he *did* underestimate Tynus. Are there any other examples - for or against - that I'm missing? Marian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:07:38 PDT From: "Jason de Rooy" <jjderooy@hotmail.com> To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] First Contact Message-ID: <20000518080738.66818.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Salutations - I've been lurking on the list for a while. But the list was quiet today, so I thought I'd finally make a contribution. Forgive me for my previous laziness. The talk about the ages of various list members got me curious about people's first exposure to Blake's 7. For me, the show was something my parents watched in a time slot that was too late for me to see, until one Friday night (as I think it was originally broadcast on the ABC in Australia) a babysitter let me stay up late, and this was my pick to watch (not that there was much choice - we lived in a regional area with what now seems a mere two stations). The episode was 'Sand' and Avon, Tarrant and Servelan were too cool for the words of a 10 year old. I'll never forget the scenes where the crew realise the sand's plans for a breeding program. Priceless memories. jj ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:57:58 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] a question re Xenon base Message-ID: <35.5548fdd.265526b6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve wrote: > The most we ever saw on the Xenon base was the main lounge area, the > teleport room and a few corridors, not really much else. Its a shame > really. I'd been hoping to research eps before replying to this, but it doesn't look like I'm going to have time. So I'll have to wing it. We see private rooms in WARLORD. Soolin take Zeeona to a private room. Tarrant and Zeeona are snogging in a private room. The rooms appear to have screens on the wall that can project scenes (a rather neat substitute for windows, I thought) and that also serve as communication devices. Avon's head pops up on such a screen to summon Tarrant. The snogging room also had an interesting light. And, I presume, a double bed. :) We see other bits of Xenon Base (not private rooms) in RESCUE (the basement), HEADHUNTER (medical area, exit stairs, etc.) and WARLORD (cargo bay). That's all I remember for now. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 04:20:53 PDT From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] a question re Xenon base Message-ID: <20000518112053.55262.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks, Ellynne and Steve and especially Carol (I'll go and watch that bit of Warlord again); you've helped a lot. Sally ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:57:57 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Contact Message-ID: <68.3a353a3.265526b5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jj wrote: Welcome out of lurkerdom. It's good to have you here. > The episode was 'Sand' and Avon, Tarrant and Servelan were too cool for the > words of a 10 year old. I'll never forget the scenes where the crew realise > the sand's plans for a breeding program. Priceless memories. Thank you for sharing that. I love your description: "too cool." That it was. Jackie has said that SAND is her favorite episode. That she is enjoying herself is quite clear on screen. On an interview tape, Jackie said something along the lines of 'Servalan wanted to have her way with Tarrant and she did'. That cat got its canary and was quite satisfied. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:57:57 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon reading Blake Message-ID: <92.4e6fb69.265526b5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marian wrote: I agree with you that Avon often has very good instinctual people skills. > Later on he treats him with contempt, showing > he doesn't take his threats seriously. (I love his smile in 'Dawn' and the > unconcerned "It has been tried" to Tarrant's remark about having to kill him > one day. I didn't see that as contempt. He was amused because he knew Tarrant wasn't serious. Tarrant was simply venting. > And the adult way in which he treats Tarrant's ramblings in > 'Sarcophagus'.) I don't really sees what that has to do with reading people. I don't see Tarrant's very mature treatment of Avon after TERMINAL as a people reading skill either (Tarrant doesn't read Avon well until mid-fourth series). After Avon says he's lost Liberator and allowed Servalan to win, Tarrant doesn't jump on him and tell him what an idiot he is; he offers support, saying they all lost. And he's even more mature later when he focuses on the productive rather than the destructive and tells them they have a lot to do (at a point when all the others give Avon a dirty look of contempt). I think we have much better examples of Avon's ability to read Tarrant. In SARCOPHAGUS Avon tells Tarrant not to charge off after the alien, knowing that by saying that he'll encourage Tarrant to charge off. And I think Avon's best reading of Tarrant is in TRAITOR. I love it when he warns Tarrant not to get involved with anything on the planet, not "even if they are executing the entire population." Avon is anticipating Tarrant's behavior and trying to ward it off. I also love Tarrant's answer: "You know me, Avon." Tarrant isn't going to commit himself to any such course of action. They are so cute together. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:47:02 EST From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Contact Message-ID: <20000518224702.92193.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Jason de Rooy" <jjderooy@hotmail.com> >Friday night (as I think it was originally broadcast on the ABC in >Australia) Oh yes. You're bringing back memories now. Either The Goodies or Monkey with Doctor Who every weekday before the 7pm news, and Blake's 7 on Friday evenings (at least for the repeats when I latched onto it). >(not that there was much choice - we lived in a regional area with what now >seems a mere two stations). Yeah, more pre-aggregation memories there... >The episode was 'Sand' Trouble is, I hated this one the first time I saw. It was the monster of the week's fault: vampire sand? How too sub-Doctor Who monster! It's only since I bought most of the videos that I've come to appreciate more of that episode. Being several years older was a distinct advantage as well <smile> The one that left its mark on the twelve year old me was Orbit. <smile> I wonder why? Regards Joanne ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #138 **************************************