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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 00 : Issue 132

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] Food, Folks & Fun
	 [B7L] Poor Tarrant (was FLAG test)
	 Re: [B7L] Food, Folks & Fun
	 [B7L] Re: correction of onelist info (was projectavalon list)
	 Fwd: [B7L] FINALACT & teletubbies?
	 ??Age??
	 [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #131
	 is that it then?
	 Last days of Pompeii -
	 Orac and Star One
	 Re: [B7L] ??Age??
	 [B7L] Traitorous Blake
	 Re: [B7L] Orac and Star One
	 Re: [B7L] ??Age??
	 Re: [B7L] ??Age??
	 [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #124: female fans?
	 [B7L] Vertedness (ties in with the series eventually)
	 Re: [B7L] Vertedness (ties in with the series eventually)
	 Re: [B7L] ??Age??
	 Re: [B7L] Orac and Star One 

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 03:58:57 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Dana writes:

<They never worry about food supplies and Horizon suggested Avon would have 
had _all_ the necessary supplies to last for years.  I'd guess the ship 
either had some kind of replicators (capable of producing raw food stuffs 
still in need of at least minor preparation) or else there were some fully 
automated hydroponics, etc, run by Zen.>

Avon calls it 'concentrated food' which sounds wonderfully appetising, 
doesn't it? I haven't made up my mind as to whether this equates to 
artificially created processed blah (which would make sense from an Alta 
point of view, what use would *they* have for anything other than the basic 
nutritional needs?) or something that transmogrifies into a range of weird 
and wonderful stuffs that the crew very carefully do *not* look too closely 
into the contents thereof.

One also wonders how long it took our original intrepid three to find the 
food machines and get them working (presumably quite a while before they got 
*Zen* going, even if you ignore the decidedly impossible time-frame of the 
first few episodes :-)) What's the betting that (in a remarkable show of 
unity by the embezzler and the smuggler) Fearless Leader got voted into the 
job of taste-tester?


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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:31:06 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Poor Tarrant (was FLAG test)
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On Wed, 10 May 2000 03:53:56 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
> After Trish said:
> <Poor Tarrant, all skill sets, no horsepower.>
> 
> Definitely *not* at all thick in the sense of stupid. He's really 
> fairly 
> bright IMHO - smart and sharp rather than intellectual or cerebral. 
> But he 
> *is* rather badly hobbled by his almost total lack of common sense, 
> slightly 
> stolid (to my eyes) way of thinking, and poor people skills 

I think Tarrant's main problem was an almost complete inability for long
range thinking. He could be very intelligent planning certain aspects of
a mission, analyzing a problem, or dealing with a given crisis.  But he
had a way of not thinking about consequences or possible long term events
that was staggering (take him and Zeeona, Avon has every right to be
upset that Tarrant is risking a military alliance that stands a chance of
holding off the Federation _and_ letting them live into ripe old age all
for a date with a none too bright redhead he barely knows). 

As to his people skills, I think those are kind of a mixed bag.  Tarrant
never seems to get over treating people as fellow soldiers (or should I
say subordinates?) in the Federation military with a slight,
condescending exception for women he considers noncombatants.  OTOH, he
could be charming at times.  I think it came from his extreme earnestness
(sure, he can do subterfuge, but he's otherwise an almost painfully
straightforward personality, never hiding his intentions or suspicions).

(yes, 
> yes, 
> Avon's are nearly as bad, but he does have analytic ability to help 
> compensate). All of Our Heroes can be amazingly stupid at times 
> (even Orac! 
> See the beginning of Blake)

Have to say this: that always struck me as too dumb for Orac.  I've
always wondered if something was taking him over again in that scene or
if the little box of lights decided he'd be better off without them.
> 
> It's more that Tarrant wouldn't do such a bad job, but Blake and 
> (for all 
> *his* lack of conventional leadership skills) Avon did such an 
> *extraordinary* good job of keeping them alive in this situation 
> with half 
> the galaxy after them (given the odds, the low attrition rate has to 
> be 
> called impressive - well, right up till that little shooting party 
> at GP).
> 
Actually (I know this would take a lot of fun out of the series), they
could have had a wonderful survival rate if, in S3, they'd gone into
hiding.  The food selection may not have been great, but Liberator could
have just hung out in a corner of space for a few years.  They could have
also gone into hiding on some neutral world (don't tell me Orac and Avon
toegether can't forge all the necessary documentation), or they _could_
have forged some kind of agreement with the Federation (I'm not
reccomending it, but I think Avon could have worked out something where
the odds of Servalan killing him were significantly lower than if he
accepted the position of co-ruler or whatever it was she was offering
[the trick is to have a power base that doesn't directly rival her
supreme dictatorness, preferably something she couldn't begin to
replicate (like the Clone Masters), that provides a useful alliance but
could also provide equally nasty retaliation on its own, not to mention
upsetting other supporters if she acted against it]. Mind you, I said
_lower_ odds, not nonexistant).

Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:02:47 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Wed, 10 May 2000 03:58:57 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
>What's the betting that (in a remarkable 
> show of 
> unity by the embezzler and the smuggler) Fearless Leader got voted 
> into the 
> job of taste-tester?
> 
The true reason Jenna wouldn't leave Blake at CP revealed at last. 
Forget idealism, conscience, and wondering how safe it was to hang out
with Avon sans backup.  she was thinking, "Oh, no, then he'll expect me
to test what's edible and what isn't."

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:56:25 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: correction of onelist info (was projectavalon list)
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I had said earlier:

I know nothing about projectavalon,  but there are six other  B7 groups at 
onelist.  
Blakes-7        Bailey's group   (The list is just quiet these days.)
blakes7         Kristin's group
Blakes_7        Joe Young's group,  has only three members
blake-avon7     Peja's group
DownandSafe a list for discussing Blake with no character bashing allowed
RallyingCall        a Blake print APA that went electronic  last year
*****
I errored with DownandSafe.  MY emphasis is Blake,  not the group's.  It 
should read:
DownandSafe    a list for discussing Blake's 7 with no character bashing 
allowed

Joyce Bowen     JEB31538@cs.com

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:52:40 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
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Subject: Fwd: [B7L] FINALACT & teletubbies?
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>  >  >From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
>  >  >The Teletubbies are still ours, though.
>  >  
>  >  <peering cautiously over the partition of her workstation> In a secret 
>  >  hideout a couple of desks away from me, from the looks of things...
>  >  Worried
>  >  Joanne
>  
>  Greetings to the all Dreadful one and her fellow worshippers of the one 
true 
> Travis. 
>  I shudder to think of Travis, either the one true Travis as described, or 
> the good-looking one with a chest, with Teletubbies.  
>  
>  Target practice?  Pull!  Oh, there goes Tinky-Winky!
>  Let's put Po under interrogation and see if we can make him talk.  Real 
> words, damn it, not that babbling nonsense!
>  
>  Oh, the baby sunface is dropping.  It's time for bed...
>  Trish
>  SCHOOL
>  
>  "Auron may be different, Cally, but on Earth it is considered ill-mannered
>  to kill your friends while committing suicide."
>  


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>  >From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
>  >The Teletubbies are still ours, though.
>  
>  <peering cautiously over the partition of her workstation> In a secret 
>  hideout a couple of desks away from me, from the looks of things...
>  Worried
>  Joanne

Greetings to the all Dreadful one and her fellow worshippers of the one true 
Travis. 
I shudder to think of Travis, either the one true Travis as described, or the 
good-looking one with a chest, with Teletubbies.  

Target practice?  Pull!  Oh, there goes Tinky-Winky!
Let's put Po under interrogation and see if we can make him talk.  Real 
words, damn it, not that babbling nonsense!

Oh, the baby sunface is dropping.  It's time for bed...
Trish
SCHOOL

"Auron may be different, Cally, but on Earth it is considered ill-mannered
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:05:06 +0100
From: "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: ??Age??
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Hi all,

Just a quick question : Am I the youngest reader on the list at 23?

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Carolan?= <carolan7@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #131
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Steve Rogerson said:
> 
> Ariana said: "Judith, can you replace "Redemption"
> with "Deliverence"
> throughout?"
> 
> Please don't  <g>
 
ROFL !!  Nice one, Steve.
oh no, *never* get those two confused....<g>

Sorry Ariana, as you're new to B7, you may not 'get'
that, - they're both conventions, Deliverance in 1998
and Redemption in 1999 & 2001.

Carolan 

Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention
23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:14:55 +0100
From: "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: is that it then?
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Hi all

Is that it then, no more episodes to look forward to on a Sataudays?


?Julia -Loughborough

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:03:40 +0100
From: "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Last days of Pompeii -
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When I was young, so I can't remember it that well, but my mum and dad let
me stay up to see a 2 part tv film called Last days of Pompeii - I have just
scene that Stephen Greif starred in a film by the same name. The one I
really saw when I was little was about the eruption of the volcano. Was this
the same film that he was in...does anyone know where I could get hold of a
copy of the film? it is about 5 hours long.?

Julia - Loughborough

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:07:51 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "Blakes 7 List" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Orac and Star One
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I've been enjoying going through some of the scripts from the series and =
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Blake going after Provine.

One thing I was wondering about though, is why Orac couldn't find Star =
One for them.  Every computer in the known Federation is supposed to use =
Tarriel cells, allowing Orac access to their data.  I would guess the =
systems on Star One would be no different.  I would have thought he =
would have been able to intercept commands going in and out of Star One, =
and easily been able to trace them. =20

Guess it just wouldn't have been as enjoyable for the viewer if Blake =
just turned on Orac and asked him, rather then go through the "chase"!  =
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ps.  I think Countdown is one of my favourite episodes - great Avon =
storyline.


Steve Dobson
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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:32:56 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] ??Age??
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>  Just a quick question : Am I the youngest reader on the list at 23?

Chronologically or emotionally?

I think some of us are quite a bit younger than that ...



Trish
SCHOOL

"Auron may be different, Cally, but on Earth it is considered ill-mannered
to kill your friends while committing suicide."

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:59:41 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Subject: [B7L] Traitorous Blake
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I did not see the CINESCAPE TODAY report on the new B7 movie.  In fact,  I 
don't even know what issue it was in.  However,  in a newsletter that I get 
here in the US,  there was a summary of the  CT article and this sentence 
appears: "However,  as shown in the final episode,  the traitorous Blake will 
still be quite dead though the team will retain the name."   It is unclear to 
me whether this is EXACTLY what the article said or if the n/l writer is 
simply paraphrasing.

I am always appalled at news items calling Blake a traitor.  I can remember 
when the RADIO TIMES  talked about BLAKE'S 7 being first repeated on Gold 
back in 1994 (or 1995 ?)  and it referred to Blake as having turned traitor 
at the end.  

I not only think this is a gross misinterpretation of the final episode,  but 
that it is a slur on the whole series.  I see the final episode as one 
gigantic misunderstanding with both Blake and Avon contributing to the 
tragedy.  Avon shoots Blake because he thinks that Blake is a traitor,  and 
he soon afterwards learns his error as Blake lies dead at his feet.  I think 
the view that Blake was a traitor cheapens the entire series and ruins the 
impact of the conclusion.  And, if this is the view that the BBC has about 
BLAKE'S 7,  then it should be corrected.

I only see things much later than they appear, especially if they originiate 
in the UK.  Whether you are a fan of Blake the character or not,  I would 
hope that when you see this terrible misleading  labeling of Blake in future 
print items,  that you would take the time to  write to the offender and 
correct the statement as soon as you see it in print.   I really don't think 
it helps the reputation of the series to have people believing the rebel they 
first see in "The Way Forward"  will become a traitor by episode 52.

Joyce Bowen   JEB31538@cs.com 

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:09:15 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: Blakes 7 List <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orac and Star One
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begin  Christine+Steve quotation:
>    One thing I was wondering about though, is why Orac couldn't find
>    Star One for them.  Every computer in the known Federation is
>    supposed to use Tarriel cells, allowing Orac access to their
>    data. I would guess the systems on Star One would be no
>    different.  I would have thought he would have been able to
>    intercept commands going in and out of Star One, and easily been
>    able to trace them.

	I'm not sure that Orac *couldn't* find Star One, but rather
that he *didn't*.  If written into a corner, I'm sure that Nation,
Boucher, et al would have just pulled out "You never asked!".

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:12:18 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] ??Age??
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begin  B7Morrigan@aol.com quotation:
> >  Just a quick question : Am I the youngest reader on the list at
> >  23?
> 
> Chronologically or emotionally?
> 
> I think some of us are quite a bit younger than that ...

	Ah, the conspiracy of 23-year-olds!  Why, all of us in the
Monday-Night B7 marathons in San Francisco are 23.

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:19:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tegan Donnelly <tegan@offcenter.org>
To: B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] ??Age??
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> 	Ah, the conspiracy of 23-year-olds!  Why, all of us in the
> Monday-Night B7 marathons in San Francisco are 23.

Add another 23 year old to the group, though I found B7 around 21 or so
(and I'm not in SanFran). I think. I honestly can't remember anymore, I
feel like I've been a fan for a very long time. :)

Sorry for the me too. I couldn't pass this one up though. Uh, ObB7: What
do you think the crew was doing in their early 20's? When would you think
schooling ended and more adult commitments took place?

cheers,
tegan (*)
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     sleep and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of
     song. Somewhere there's danger. Somewhere there's injustice. And
     somewhere else the tea is getting cold. Come on, Ace we've got work 
     to do. - the Doctor, Survival

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:25:31 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #124: female fans?
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> > That's one of the many reasons why Avon has so many female fans--many of
> us
> > are fascinated by someone who has entirely abandoned the burden that
> > being/trying to be nice places on us.
> 
> But I stopped being nice years ago, and I haven't got any female fans at
> all:(
> 
> Neil
> 
Neil, have you forgotten all those marriage offers you got a month or so
ago?

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:03:16 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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SInce we're back on the discussion... why are INTs considered 'less
nice'?
Because we don't like to spend a lot of time on mindless social
interaction? 
I sit next to a fellow at work who is undoubtable ESTJ. I have to answer
all of his polite sociable questions five or more times because he
forgets the answers. He isn't paying attention, which to me means he is
the one who DOESN'T care. I don't initiate many idle conversations
because I respect my colleagues and do not wish to waste their valuable
time, nor neglect my function in the company. I have a chronic condition
that makes me occaisionally require assistance getting around... the E's
never notice or care, but my more introverted colleagues are most likely
to offer some kind of help.

How do we define 'nice' and 'caring'? Is Vila nicer than Avon? Vila was
often making unwanted passes at his female friends whereas Avon allowed
Dayna to initiate a kiss, but never presses himself on anyone. Blake is
'nicer', but laughs about Vila as being like an intelligeent flea (with
Avon). And... Why must one act irrational to prove one cares? Avon saved
the lives of his friends on several occaisions, even though he went into
danger. I don't know that I would have had the courage to go down into
many of the situations he did. I also doubt I'd be able to put someone
out an airlock to break out of a dangerous orbit. We know Avon was
willing to, but what about his nicer colleagues? 
And then Servalan is an extrovert, very professionally good at being
'nice' as she manipulates people, but we know she cares nothing for
them.

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:42:26 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vertedness (ties in with the series eventually)
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I see Helen's point, and as an INTP/J (depending on when I take the damn 
test) I concur with most of it.  However, much as I love Avon, he does not 
demonstrate a particular talent for empathy, which is often associated with 
being nice.  He won't bring you roses (unless he wants something) but he'll 
save your life. 

Hmm, it reminds me of the "But honey, you needed new car mats.  I don't 
understand why you don't like your birthday gift."

Trish
SCHOOL

"Auron may be different, Cally, but on Earth it is considered ill-mannered
to kill your friends while committing suicide."

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:49:19 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Tegan Donnelly" <tegan@offcenter.org>, "B7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] ??Age??
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tegan wrote:

Add another 23 year old to the group, though I found B7 around 21 or so
(and I'm not in SanFran). I think. I honestly can't remember anymore, I
feel like I've been a fan for a very long time. :)


> I used to watch it when I was a kid, at roughly 9 years old (im now 29)
and I remember that the first crush I >ever had (the absolute truth) was on
Avon.  I was sooooooooo jealous when a school mate got a photo from >PD
(keeping in mind we are wayyyyyyyyyy down in South Australia, thats down
under, down under <G>)  I >plotted and thought about how to pinch it from
her. Ah those were the days :))

>Then I forgot about it, and I had a touch of the nostalgias early last year
when I found a set in a video store, I >havent looked back since.  Now I
cant get enough.   And yes, I still have a crush on Avon. <VBG>


>Min. xxx

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:06:58 +0200
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
cc: "Blakes 7 List" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orac and Star One 
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> One thing I was wondering about though, is why Orac couldn't find Star
> One for them.  Every computer in the known Federation is supposed to use
> Tarriel cells, allowing Orac access to their data.  I would guess the
> systems on Star One would be no different.  I would have thought he
> would have been able to intercept commands going in and out of Star One,
> and easily been able to trace them. 

A couple of reasons come to mind. First, it might not have used TCs,
although that's unlikely. Secondly, the transmissions might be carried
mechanically before being transmitted, such as in a spaceship. (unlikely,
but that's the joys of rationalisation). Multiple transmission points and
broadcast response signals would give no fixed place for the computation
units. Finally, Orac might have searched the likely area - the galaxy - and
found nothing. Starting on the rest of the universe outside the galaxy
might have taken a bit more commitment from the crew. :-)

steve

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